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Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't deliberately agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.


No user, even if they read the TOS, believed they were opting into perpetual call and SMS logging.

It’s dark UX and the terrible Amdroid permissions system that tricked them into it.


Part of the problem is how the TOS is deliberately obscure long form text while the UI (which does not make the data sharing explicit) is nice, polished and A/B tested for maximum engagement [0].

Were the same information design effort applied to explaining the data collection and sharing, all users would at least know what is happening.

Most users should know/intuit how this pervasive data collection/sharing can have unwanted side effects, even without such nicely designed explanations, but one of the most effective rules of UX is don't make me think.

[0]: "Frictionless" in practice means "don't wait, start using this now and only think about it later".


Its not dark UX merely because you don't like it.

Dark UX suggests a control designed to trick you into making a decision you would deliberate otherwise not make. I looked at their opt-in control and it is very clear that you have to opt-in.

In other words, if you didn't want Facebook to have all your call and SMS data then why would you deliberately agree to give it to Facebook with their very obvious consent form?


> Dark UX suggests a control designed to trick you into making a decision you would deliberate otherwise not make.

Thats exactly what this is, Dark UX. No reasonable person would think that “text anyone on my phone” means “log all my calls and text messages in perpetuity” despite the deliberately obtuse (and light gray!) paragraph below.

It’s a trap.


> their very obvious consent form

I haven't used FB in a long time and I never used their mobile app, so here's a genuine request: do you have a screenshot or some example of how they gather consent for this?


The Vanity Fair article about this featured a screenshot if you scroll down a little bit: https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/25/facebook-denies-it-collect...


Thanks. It confirms my empirical experience that most users (of all backgrounds) don't read, those who read don't fully comprehend the information, and those who comprehend it are thrown off by cute illustrations or the urgency of what they want to accomplish in the moment.

Personally, I'd prefer the message to be split in two parts, like so:

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# Text anyone in your phone

This lets friends find each other on Facebook and helps us create a better experience for everyone.

## Privacy

This will continously upload:

- Info about your contacts like phone numbers and nicknames

- Your call and text history.

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(I don't think I'd have gotten FB to a half-trillion market cap.)


They supposedly have a ghost profile on me, given I have never had an account. I find that quite sketchy.


Facebook doesn't have to anything you didn't unconsciously agree to surrender. That isn't very sketchy.

Fixed that for you.


I dont remember agreeing to facebook keeping lots of private data about me. (I dont have facebook)




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