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After watching that talk, I would have loved somebody in the audience to point out instance like this https://raygun.com/blog/10-costly-software-errors-history/ and ask for Hickey's comments.

Needless to say I really don't agree with that list, as history shows the inconsistency, typos, lack basic units and the ability to express them in a computation etc., have been more catastrophic than he believes them to be. And these issues cannot really be fixed without a proper type system, that will not allow stuff like that to get into production.

And a good type system cannot be optional, e.g. clojure's spec, There are number of studies that show that will power, is not enough, there needs to be and environment - a type system - that helps to avoid and catch mistakes.



>After watching that talk, I would have loved somebody in the audience to point out instance like this https://raygun.com/blog/10-costly-software-errors-history/ and ask for Hickey's comments. Needless to say I really don't agree with that list, as history shows the inconsistency, typos, lack basic units and the ability to express them in a computation etc., have been more catastrophic than he believes them to be.

From the list you cite, only three of 10 errors are caused by "typos", "lack of basic units" and type errors.

And this is just a particular list.

Recalling Rich Hickey list, the things that cause more problem in code, from worst to less damaging:

  Domain Complexity
  Misconception

  10x

  Place Oriented Programming
  Weak support for information
  Brittleness/Coupling
  Language model complexity
  Parochialism/context
  weak support for Names
  Distribution
  Resource utilization
  Runtime intangibility
  Libraries
  Concurrency

  10x

  Inconsistency
  Typos
I'm pretty sure that if we compile a list of real-life cases where the major reasons of failure according to Rich Hickey have caused trouble, the list of examples would be immense, compared to "typos".


I see nothing in those 10 costly errors that fundamentally disagree with Hickey's ranking, or advocate clearly for the need of type systems.

I also question the value of taking too much stock in outliers. How many of us will be working on the next Mars orbiter?




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