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"it's a big assumption that gun ownership = gun carrying" ... seems like one is an obvious prerequisite to the other, so you'd at least expect some degree of correlation, correct? I'm certainly not suggesting there aren't responsible gun owners (in fact I believe they are a large majority). I personally know many people just like you describe (generally do not carry, otherwise stored unloaded in a safe).

To go back a bit, why didn't a CCL bystander intervene, though, in the Orlando shooting even if nobody was armed in the club? I just think the asymmetry of active shooter situations renders an armed population basically useless most of the time, and people apt to grossly overestimate how effective they would be.

My suspicion is that the risk from death (all cause and homicide only) from firearm is highly correlated with degree of gun ownership. And the real discussion is how much should people give away in the balance of their right to stay alive vs other peoples' liberty to own firearms. It think that is not a bad faith reduction. Firearm deaths will never be zero, and there are and must be restrictions on ownership of weapons (NBC weapons, artillery) at some level.

I'm slightly guilty of bad faith with asking a bad faith question. I know the CDC is prevented by law from doing this sort of epidemiological study, so we are sort of left in a state arguing without facts (and that seems intentional).



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