Dan, I apologize for your experience. If you ever run into something like this again, besides contacting support directly, you can ping @dellcarespro on twitter and, if its related to the developer edition or project Sputnik you can loop me in @barton808. thanks!
So you're on the team? Here's a perspective from a potential buyer. Apple having truly jumped the shark on their MB Pros, I've been mulling on and off about what to do when it's time to replace my current 13" MBP. An XPS 13 or 15 w/Ubuntu is definitely on my radar. But I am a bit scared off by reliability & quality reports. They're only anecdotal & biased samples of course, but there's not much else for a poor consumer to go on.
It might be worth your team's while addressing these perceptions in some way. I don't know what to suggest (your job not mine!) other than chiming in now and then in places like HN, but it might merit some thought on your part.
One thing that reduces consumer risk when buying Apple is their genuinely frictionless returns policy. It really is feasible to buy if you're unsure & just return within a couple of weeks, no questions asked. I haven't looked, but imagine Dell's terms are similar. If so, this might be worth highlighting.
There are 3 in my family, a 9350 and two 9360s. All work fine. I represent the majority of people who have no reason to write anything about their computers because there's nothing to say.
Accepted (apart from the unsubstantiated claim about representing the majority). To quote myself, these perceptions are only based on "anecdotal & biased samples".
The problem is that a lack of accurate & reliable information can be a great incubator of unsubstantiated perceptions. I'm just suggesting that if the Dell team believe the XPS's not to have reliability problems, it's in their interests to come up with tactics to manage perceptions where possible. It's in our interests really, as we all would want a wide range of good developer-friendly laptops available.
The only thing that bothered me was adaptive brightness (CABC) that was fixed in my case with an unofficial panel firmware at some risk to brick the device. Coil whine is perceptable only if I keep ear close to the keyboard. No other problems.
If there is someone from Dell here: please fix CABC! Unofficial patch proves that it can be done. It's especially important for linux devs who switch between dark terminal windows and browser: CABC increases backlight brightness if contents of screen are light, and decreases if it's dark. So, I switch from terminal to browser, brightness jump is already unpleasant as is, but then CABC kicks in, increases brightness and burns out eyes. Switch back to terminal -- too dark, difficult to see anything. How it's even supposed to work... Another unpleasant thing happens when CABC starts to adjust brighness back and forth while I edit code, it's highly annoing when it happens.
Edit: There were also a problems with Atheros WiFi, but new firmware from Atheros's github fixes them completely for me. Works stable since June 2017.
Adaptive brightness is a Windows setting you can change in the Power Options control panel. Click 'Change plan settings' next to your chosen power plan, click 'Change advanced settings', click 'Display', click 'Enable adaptive brightness' and change it to off.
I don't have windows installed, but it's highly unlikely that it'll help. This feature is baked into panel firmware, and while Dell releases firmware updates for some models, there is no official fix for 9360 FHD. For models with the fix there are two versions of firmware: with CABC support and without. Switching requires firmware reflash with a special vendor tool. So it's unlikely that there is a dynamic setting to switch it off.
Oh. The setting works in Windows on my XPS 13, but I have the 3200x1800 display. I disabled adaptive brightness the day I bought it, because it annoyed me for the same reasons.
> Restocking Fees: Unless the product is defective or the return is a direct result of a Dell error, Dell may charge a restocking fee of up to 15% of the purchase price paid, plus any applicable sales tax.
I bought a Dell XPS 9550 with terrible coil whine from the Microsoft Store about two years ago. Thinking I was just unlucky, I did an exchange (MS Store) to a different unit. This one had no coil whine, but would not wake up from sleep about half the time.
If you think Apple has fallen in terms of quality, you have no idea how low they would have to fall to match Dell's.
It just seems like consumers don't care that the MacBook design is hostile to connectivity (my biggest issue) or developers in general. They're used to it from Apple, and want the latest and greatest regardless. Apple is honing in on that market, like it or not.
I disagree with the last part of this sentence. I know a lot of developers, the vast majority of whom have preferred Apple laptops for years, and very few of whom develop in Objective-C and Swift.
I agree with a lot of other commenters that Apple are becoming more and more complacent and arrogant about the developer part of their customer base, which I think is larger than perhaps they realise.
I don't see how choice of programming platform & language has much to do with the need for real keyboards, function keys, ports, etc. Nor is it true that most developers using macbooks are only or even primarily 'Objective-C and Swift developers').
It is true, however that those developers I know who have a choice (ie. because they don't have a huge professional investment in Apple's platforms) are seeking alternatives to macbooks for their next replacement machines.
If you are going Dell I think the best bet is to try the Precision 5000 series (pretty equal to XPS 15) and 7000 series (heavier and bulkier but you can really spec these things out). I have an XPS 15 (9550) and I really cannot recommend them. Lots of problems.
At least the Precision line is the buisness line which means better support, preinstalled with Linux (so its tested well) and probably from what I have read better tested/built due to being a business line. I like supporting Dell on this venture b/c they are sticking thier neck out a little by even supporting/preinstalling Linux as a big name OEM provider.
The Lenovos are great too, but I wish they would officially support Linux and offer Linux preinstalled as an option so you don't have to pay for Windows.
Both the Precision 5510 and the M3800 I used to have, had issues with the battery swelling. The M3800 was a piece of junk - pretty much what I'd expect when a company that makes $300 laptops uses the same design team to make a $3000 laptop. The 5510 felt much better, but the screen has a bit of discoloration at some of the edges, and while the keyboard is great, the trackpad isn't that good. The speakers are hilariously bad.
The 5510 is a lot more rigid than the 3800 was, but it still isn't rigid enough. I could carry my personal 15" macbook pro all day with one hand while still being able to click the trackpad down. With that 5510, the chassis flexes too much for the trackpad to click when you hold it from one side. And don't get me started about the cheesy chargers Dell uses.
The 5510 was worlds better, I'll admit - and it does a decent enough job running Ubuntu! There's enough to like about the laptop, but not necessarily at the price they charge.
My work laptop is an M3800, though the newer one is the 5510. Pretty solid machines in my experience. We did after market upgrades to some very fast SSD (sorry don't remember which).
That said- I'm staying with the m3800 as long as I can. It's a few years old and my battery needs replacing, but otherwise is very capable. Some people have had docking issues on and off with the 5510 (occasional crashing, though I think it's a driver/software issue), but more importantly it has the awful "Nostril Cam" which is annoying for video meetings.
In general, fast, light, good battery (for perspective, mine lasts 2-3 hours now, vs 5-7 when I got it), useful ports. The keyboard is not the best (home/end/pgup/pgdn keys are fn+arrow instead of dedicated) but very usable. I hated the glossy screen at first, but touchscreen is surprisingly useful and I got past it. I just keep a microfiber cloth in my laptop bag now.
yeah "up the nose" cam is one of the more annoying features of these Dells :( Also the non-dedicated pgup/dwn/home/end is another annoyance - I guess I got use to it after a while
Thanks, I won't be actively looking for 6 months or so. I'm just keeping an eye on what's available. Precisions are prohibitively expensive here (Aus) -- starting at about AUD$6000! Thinkpads raise a nostalgic smile. My little x40 with dock was probably my favourite ever machine.
I'll say that I wanted to like Dell because they seemed to be focused on delivering quality Linux laptops. However, I will never buy a Dell again. The support is absolutely abysmal. I had a 5510 that I ended up selling for a significant loss about 6 months after buying it because Dell kept "fixing" what I had, sending me back the wrong machine, etc. Total waste of time and money. Buyer beware on quality and support - what's represented in forum after forum is true. Here was my post from a while ago:
I now own a Lenovo T470 and it's been without a hitch since receipt and running Linux. Hopefully the new XPS 13 isn't the 7th generation Fiero that many of us assume it will be.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Lenovo ThinkPad support absolutely blows, too. I had next biz day support and a battery in my T460s died. It took two weeks of calls and emails and tweeting to find out that the replacement battery was backordered. Weeks later, I got a replacement laptop, a P50 that I had to pay extra for. Fuck Lenovo support.
Would you follow up on the issue he had if he provided you with the order details and repair communication? There should be a good chance of there being a paper trail to follow and a mismatch between communication to customer and repair hardware actually used, no?
I can personally speak to the fact that Barton means what he says. When Sputnik first came out in Beta, I bought a developer edition that had some keyboard issues. I dropped a casual note on Twitter and Barton went out of his way to make sure the issue got resolved.
I keep contemplating a full transition to Ubuntu as my work machine, but there are still certain environment impacts (like connected devices and the need to run some Mac-only software on occasion) that has prevented it.
But if I could convince myself to take the dive and go Linux-only, I wouldn't hesitate to run with the XPS line.
Disclaimer: Absolutely none other than Barton is a great guy who helped a random stranger that once complained on Twitter.
Yeah, that's what I did with my M5; I got the 16GB (2x 8) version, and then took another 2x 8GB from my old laptop too.
The thing is, I'm having trouble finding a worthy replacement (this is years old now and is dying; the left hinge is on the way out, the keyboard doesn't work properly (and it's the second keyboard this laptop has had), and the power jack is ... temperamental, but that's another story).
This laptop can hold up to 4 SO-DIMMs (8GB each), 2x 2.5" HDDs, 2x M.2 2242/2280 SSDs, has 4 USB 3.0 ports (one of which is also an eSATAp port), 2 DisplayPorts, an HDMI port, a SIM card slot, SD card reader, gigabit wired Ethernet, 3 audio jacks (headphones/microphone/line-out), a Core i7-4720HQ and a 15.6" 1080p IPS matte display. It also has a GeForce GTX965M but I don't use that (it's always powered off).
I'm in the United Kingdom, and I'm having difficulty finding something that can even come close to that, without going back to Eurocom (which I may end up doing). The most important aspect to me is the large memory support (I can barely get by with 16GB for all the development work I do, so 32GB is really nice) and storage (both HDDs are in a RAID-1 for /home, and both SSDs are in a RAID-1 for / -- which was handy, because one of the SSDs failed a few months ago, and I didn't have to do anything). Avoiding the Microsoft Tax would also be a bonus.
To compare to the laptop this thread is about: I only see an option for 1 drive instead of 4 and it doesn't even go to 1TB, there's no wired Ethernet and no HDMI/DisplayPort connectivity.
The only reason I'm hesitant to go with Eurocom again is their long lead time & shipping charges (they're in North America), and their laptop keyboards don't seem to last...
Maybe look into a Clevo machine.
For example, the Clevo P775 has 2xM2 2x2.5" slots, similar connectors (missing sim card) and supports up to 64GB of RAM (4 slots). There are other options as well.
I bought a Precision 5520 with Ubuntu pre-installed one year ago and it is still one of the best laptops I've ever purchased. My previous three were Thinkpads with the latest being an x230. The quality of the X series has really been in decline and x230 was the last straw for me (keyboard warping).
I've always heard about coil whine but maybe I just can't hear it (I'm 43). As long as the Linux support remains strong I will keep buying the Precision line.
The reports of coil whine are really the only thing keeping me from pulling the trigger on an XPS 13. Played with one in an MS store, love the hardware, and I'm ready to go back to Linux.
