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Ripple co-founder is now richer than the Google founders on paper (cnbc.com)
43 points by NavyDish on Jan 4, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 11 comments


The thing that makes me bearish about Ripple's price is that so little of the currency is in the hands of the public. From what I've read, total amount of XRP is fixed at 100B, but it seems like only about 1.3B units are in actual circulation, with the other 98.7B units held by Ripple Labs, the founders, or institutional partners. ~37B is 'held' by these entities (mostly the founders I think), and another ~60B is locked up in smart contracts to slowly release these remaining funds to these actors at a rate of up to 1B per month.

I find it concerning that so many people are valuing Ripple off the 'market cap' because the 'true' circulating supply is much less than the commonly used figure of 38B. If the 'true' circulating supply is only 1.3B, what will happen when founders and partners start to cash out their ~30x greater stake then what is currently on the market? Can the market absorb 30x more supply?

Does anyone have a good source on what amount of Ripple is held by the 'public' (vs those with direct business relationships with Ripple Labs)?

Disclaimer: I'm long Bitcoin, and not a Ripple expert. Have been a detractor for several years: don't like the technical design, reliance on network effects, and amount of centralization.


It is such an obvious rip-off, I just don't get it. 100% pre-mined. Essentially centrally controlled. Do a little searching on Jeb (remember a business called MtGox?). Mark is made out to be the daemon but look into the history of the site.

Disclaimer: I'm long on Bitcoin as well, longer than I want to be. Bitcoin is hugely overpriced IMHO. The technology has some promise but there are gigantic challenges to overcome. Ripple is a totally different beast, like comparing cats and bananas.


Ripple is for people that prefer debt based money over equity based money and lack the imagination to understand that a ledger entry is money. For those in debt that enjoy being a debt slave, buy Ripple. For those that want to end debt slavery buy pretty much anything else. Bitcoin would go a long way, but Monero is great as are many of the others.


Ripple is for people that don't have a clue what any of those words mean. I see people all around me investing in Ripple, because 'it's the next Bitcoin.' These people haven't invested in or even paid attention to crypto or any other market in their lives, but now they're experts because they did 'research' over the weekend.


Looks like 1.3B in public hands may be a bit of a low estimate. From this article seems like the founders have ~20-40% of circulating XRP.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/workday/2017/11/22/formula-1-le...


There isn't any depth to the ripple price. If I created 1 trillion digital yakitori coins and I got my father to buy 1 yakitori coin for $10, I am theoretically worth about $10 trillion. "Theoretically". Will journalist at cnbc do an article on that?

Is it me or are the media pushing out a ridiculous amount of clickbait lately? Or am I just more aware of it because of HN.

What's crazy is this isn't journalism. The article comes off more as a paid advertisement for ripple than an article.


According to coinmarketcap.com[0], the traded volume of Ripple today was 8 billion USD. That's a bit better than your Yakitori coin.

I am a bit confused about the volume of e.g. Amazon on Yahoo Finance[1], which is either 3 million or 3 billion USD.

So if such calculations are allowed/typical for someone like Jeff Bezos and his AMZN shares, why wouldn't it be for a cryptocurrency?

[0]: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ripple/#markets

[1]: https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/amzn/


Wash trading does wonders for exchange numbers.


> I am a bit confused about the volume of e.g. Amazon on Yahoo Finance[1], which is either 3 million or 3 billion USD.

Volume here refers to the number of shares.


Ripple is certainly an interesting technology to have emerged in the Blockchain sector and one of the few which has serious commitments from outside relevant parties.

This has come with compromises, and while I do applaud their business acumen and look suspiciously at their centralization, it’s honestly out of my mind how it could be valued at such a high price and I’m not so sure that market capitalization can be a valuable indicator, due to their centralized approach, both in functioning and ownership.

Let’s see where all this goes in the following months, it’ll be a fun ride


ICOs in general will see a big correction once the SEC decides to bear down on insider information and compliance amongst the larger investors in these fundraises.

The case, in greater detail, is made here:

https://medium.com/@seiso_matt/investor-liability-for-icos-c...




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