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A literal socialist reaching 43.1% of votes not influential enough?



American democratic socialists like Sanders aren't far left, and are really more social democrats than “literal socialists”. (Sure, DSA is part of international socialist fora, but so is the UK Labour Party, and no one sane is calling Labour “far left” either.)

Someone, therefore, from the moderate left getting a sizable minority of votes within the left-most party of a two-party system where the most votes in that party went to a center-right neoliberal is not evidence of the far left having much (or any) influence, especially when it's the best anyone not from the center-right has done in that party for at least a quarter century.


The man literally visits Soviet Union as his idea of honeymoon after his wedding.

There's circumstantial evidence he was even a Stalinist at one point: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sanders+stalinist+kibbutz

You do realize how closely your argument resembles a "No True Scotsman" in this case, yes?

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."

Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

EDIT: Here he is, calling himself a socialist without any qualifiers in 1989: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_QLek6Qvzg


Sanders is certainly a socialist by some definitions; and there are certainly definitions of socialism by which it is exclusively a far-left ideology.

The problem is that they aren't the same definitions, and the game being played of pretending that they are is the fallacy of equivocation.


https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-...

"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?"

Would you describe Venezuelan regime as center-left social democrat?

Who's the banana republic now? Indeed, the irony would be amusing if only this failure did not leave millions and millions of people with no money, no food and no hope.


Were any policies he actually proposed socialists?

1. People can change.

2. People might moderate their actions when faced with reality (heck, even Trump does/is forced to).

From what I remember back when he was campaigning, most things he was proposing would definitely fall under socialist-democrat in Europe.


If he became president and succeeded at first he might have been widely celebrated, as comrade Chavez was. Then he would have likely won the re-election in a landslide that dwarfed Reagan's victory and implemented policies further to the left.

And then a decade in the future (might even be more than that, US is resilient) it would have blown up in everyone's faces, just as it did in Venezuela.

The general public has a short attention span, it seldom thinks of what would happen 10-15 years down the road.




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