On: Signs of Crappy PHP Software

[phoenix24]

also, the ones that don't use an ORM, instead go at lengths to invent it.

[jaxn → phoenix24]

What about Wordpress? They don't use an ORM do they?

[crikli → jaxn]

I would posit that Wordpress is the wordwide leader in 'crappy PHP software.'

(And I'm not a PHP hater, my company writes 90% of our stuff in PHP, and WP works great for blogs and brochure sites. But it's nasty underneath that pretty UI.)

[robryan → crikli]

Yeah, I've found it a bit of a nightmare at times trying to integrate it into a website, in future I plan to just use a separate user system for the site and just link them.

[jaxn → crikli]

I guess it depends how you measure good software. Wordpress works. Really well.

[prodigal_erik → jaxn]

Wordpress has such a long history of catastrophic security flaws that it's become notorious among people (like me) who don't even use it.

[jaxn → prodigal_erik]

I am probably not all the different from you. But I have been running Wordpress on my own server for years and have never had a problem.