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"Once anything that can be copied is brought into contact with internet, it will be copied, and those copies never leave."

Not really true at all. So many times I've found a dead link, archive.org doesn't have a copy, it's gone. Entire domains loaded with content have disappeared. In general, people don't copy and save other people's material, except temporarily for viewing.




Unexpectedly, we have managed to squash the initial carefree copying of the internet with just a few ridiculous court cases. Even the pirate bay founders are starting to feel tired of maintaining it.


You know as soon as something becomes a society tool, the fun is over. Internet was cute when it was a curiosity. Now that we rely on it, security, profits .. you get it.

We should have two layers. Seriousnet and Freenternet.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but to layman's cryptoanalyst like me, TPB and torrents in general seem like the easiest things to move entirely into blockchain-like network. Just embed it into torrent clients, done, right? Torrents are far more real, stable and necessary than some ethereal entities.

Btw, afaik, entire tpb/kat archive is around few gigabytes.


I'm not a blockchain expert, but I don't think it would help in this case. Blockchains are for creating a valid, secure public ledger of transactions. I don't think you want to keep an accurate public log of everything you torrent ;)

You probably want something more like Tor. However Tor's design makes it no good for large transactions thanks to all the obfuscating hops.

There's always a price to pay when attempting to secure something... the trick is making design decisions such that the price is negligible. (Think HTTPS)


I think what he's more talking about is something more akin to a distributed search system than a blockchain - you could make the magnet links last forever in a blockchain, but that doesn't really make sense if no one holds the files anymore you're just keeping useless links around and storing them on every single node for no reason.

A search DHT makes much more sense, look up keywords based on hash. Think the Kademlia network from the ED2K days. Maybe I'm being too academic by even suggesting a DHT be used, you could do it in simpler ways like flood search in the style of Gnutella - any distributed search means would work really.

I believe there are a few attempts at this in the bittorrent world, like Tribler, which is probably the most practical implementation to date, there's a few others too, none of which look particularly mature yet:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/aresgalaxy/editorial/?sourc... https://github.com/lmatteis/torrent-net https://github.com/boramalper/magnetico

The problem with distributed search is that perfecting it is hard - bittorrent has won out because websites could be used to prevent spamming of malware, track reputation and discussion of torrents and individuals, etc. Tribler has some proposed alternatives here and I seem to remember Kad having done a decent job preventing this from becoming a significant problem, but it never had the popularity.

If someone manages to knock out all the big torrent and usenet indexes overnight, these systems will become a lot more necessary and probably get a lot more popular.


Your crypto tools are as strong as the legal freedom to use them. The time is not that far when cryptography tools were considered like military ammunition and required licenses to export and handle.

Even as legal as they are today, crypto tools are really not widespread. Release the Tobacco & Firearms (and their respective equivalent in different countries) and their userbase will shrink into oblivion.


Ultimately we have to live somewhere in the physical world, and facing large fines or imprisonment is unattractive. The real surprise to me is that hard-line intellectual property protection has remained the political status-quo throughout the world. You'd think there'd be at least one or two countries willing to try alternatives, and give sites like Pirate Bay a place to operate in peace.

Edit: Legalize Marijuana, vote the likes of Trump into power, leave the EU, threaten to nuke the US, fine, but some things, like intellectual property, are sacred.


One reason is that journalists influence public opinion and thus their opinion carries weight with the average politician. Journalists often pretty strongly support copyright because they need it in order to earn a salary.


There are plenty of countries where journalists fear politicians instead. That can't be the whole story.


How strong is copyright protection enforced there?


Those are simply much more important subjects for their votes than copyright.


Legalizing Marijuana is more important than copyright? I disagree. Copyright is about how we handle our cultural heritage and how we compensate those who produce those artifacts. To me that is a way more important topic than the war on drugs.


That's not what he said.

And don't make the false assumption that you can't have attribution or compensation without copyright.


If you smoke Marijuana(like many), yes, it is a very important issue for you not to risk going to jail, etc.


petra's just being cynical towards politicians...


Journalists and newspapers as we know them today are deathly afraid of becoming obsolete, which they in many ways already are. What they're doing now with ads and paywalls is just delaying their extinction for a bit. I doubt you will find many journalists in favor of copyright law vitiation. Or writers in general, musicians, etc.




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