On: Amazon Echo Show

[trapperkeeper79]

My latest gen Apple TV wants to disagree with you. As does my wife's first gen Apple Watch ... both are magical turds IMHO.

[dkrich → trapperkeeper79]

I don't own an Apple Watch, but I know lots of people who do and love them.

But in any case, I think the last ten years of iPhone and iPad releases do somewhat agree with me.

[msabalau → dkrich]

So if we only look at Apple's successful products, we can agree that Apple's only makes "very carefully designed" things..

[dkrich → msabalau]

I think that holds for pretty much all of their products, successful or not.

But if you want to argue that Amazon is a better product company than Apple, then have at it.

[DannyBee → msabalau]

Right. Cube, Ping, etc

[ben174 → trapperkeeper79]

It's amazing that the Apple TV is considered a turd. They seemingly did everything right. Support for third party apps, an awesome remote, decent power. Aside from missing 4k, what makes it such a turd?

[ghaff → ben174]

The Apple TV is fine for what little I use it for. My main complaint is that I apparently can't use Siri for my own music collection. And that's basically the only music I play through the Apple TV. (It drives my stereo from my iTunes library.)

[supercoder → trapperkeeper79]

I absolutely LOVE my Apple TV. Best device in the house.

[CardenB → trapperkeeper79]

This comment really adds nothing to the discussion. Why is it being upvoted?