Can you name any company with 1000 employees or more that has used NeonCore? Or are you talking about other tools? That's really the crux of the situation, the packaging & intent - not the individual features in vacuum. I've seen plenty of people open CD trays and swap mouse buttons for left handed use, but none of them use popular trojans like NeonCore or Sub7 to achieve these tasks remotely.
> are you talking about other tools? That's really the crux of the situation,
No, it's not the crux of the situation. You said:
> > > Now whether someone should be held accountable for building such tools without using it themselves is an interesting question.
So you're clearly talking about any such tool. If now you want to just talk about NanoCore, then you're moving the goalpost, but it's still not going to work:
> > > > I looked at a youtube video of NanoCore [1] and it's immediately obvious that all of the above is bullshit.
...because your source is a youtube clip, and not the admission of any personal or experiential knowledge of the tool, to wit you list a number of features outlined in the youtube clip as specific evidence that the software was designed for illegal purposes only, to which I argue convincingly that those features are not evidence, because I have used those features in large companies.
I've never moved the goalpost, your interpretation may have changed though. Regarding accountability I'm talking about any tool which contains all those features [1] packaged together in high concentration. So NanoCore, Sub7, Zeus etc. Beyond that I've talked specifically about NanoCore. You said the accountability question isn't interesting to you and commented plenty on the specific features. It increasingly felt to me that you're building a case for every feature separately, which is why I brought it explicitly back to the package. I've never argued for the features being inherently malicious in a vacuum, so arguing that with me seems like talking past eachother more than anything else.
Regarding describing personal experience around software designed for illegal purposes, I don't feel like the benfits are worth it for me right now. So you'll have to live with parallel construction. [2]
Unrelated to NanoCore, just as a friendly suggestion, you should cut down on the ad hominem. In every reply you've made to me you've managed to slap on a personal attack. First you called me ignorant and having a lack of imagination. Next you call into question my experience. Now to top it off, you've moved from ad hominem to straight up name calling, accusing me of being a troll. [3] Tactics like these don't help me understand your arguments any better, and I would bet they don't help others reading either.
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[1] I want to be even more clear in that when I say "all those features" I also mean the truckload of botnet controlling & deployment features that I didn't list in my comment but exist in NanoCore and other competing software.
I've seen each and every one of these "superficial excuses" in companies with 1000 employees or more.
If you haven't seen them, then "being involved in the security space" isn't making you as experienced as you think you are.