It's fully functional but lacks polish.
- vector graphics/drawings created by freehand / writing
- handles more complex drawings: (give it time to load)
- unlimited* levels of zoom
- Drawings are stored in the cloud, and can be accessed by multiple devices simultaneously: co-drawing, draw on a tablet, view on tablet / web
Most of the features are remote + ink then mail. Nothing that revolutionary. Maybe I missed other demos (I can't find a video on MS website, I used youtube, various sources)
I think my comment was too easy to interpret as lazy sarcasm, I'm just trying to get a picture of what was the setup before.
A lot of MS software (Outlook, SharePoint, Lync) is not that great on OSX vs. the Windows version.
Im curious how well this works in an office of people using different operating systems.
It's getting ridiculous the OSX support for those three apps and frankly bizarre given that BYOD is very popular these days.
We have a great Android based touchscreen in the Office (ok, probably a hundred). But not connected (because security, obviously), with other solutions for VC (they bring another screen, or OCS, almost Skype). Most people just use Paper and phonecam to share. Thats just awful for productivity.
The setup before was Skyping with a spare laptop or smart TV, and often having to call each other on cell phones because the service isn't working.
There's huge value to good integration. It doesn't matter if the specs don't compete to building your own with a projector, computer, custom webcam. Because no one else has actually built it, and if you do assemble it yourself, do you want your org coming to you for troubleshooting constantly? Are you going to build it for every company you want to chat with remotely?
In the old HN thread where Dropbox was announced, you see a lot of the same sentiment. "For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by..."
But the benefit isn't just having your own smart whiteboard. It's having a smart whiteboard that plays well with people who aren't able to build one themselves, and plays well with other services.
Imagine three teams in different locations all collaborating around the same set of drafts, stake holders being called in from all over the place for their input. It creates a real-time flow of information that was just not possible/practical before.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes!
Every company I've been at, I've seen this happen over and over and over again, every meeting. I feel like I'm the only one aware of how much time and productivity is killed by this problem.
Even once everyone is on the Hangout / HighFive/ Slack call... If anyone's internet is less than perfect, the whole experience sucks.
The problem (ime) is with employers unwilling to spend the $25k/room.
The last employer used LifeSize which is great as long as everyone is in a room with hardware. If you have a mix of people dialing in with laptops and people in rooms with LifeSize hardware it's hot garbage.
Despite the fact we have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of conferencing technology at my work, I'll regularly see twenty minutes wasted at the start of a meeting with someone bumbling around with a mix match of DisplayPort, thunderbolts, HDMIs and VGAs. Then the software headaches of having to install some sort of client software, create an account and find the person.
The icing on the cake was a sales rep from Microsoft who invited us to a conference using third party software that required Silverlight and MSIE 10, and our Windows machine was too new.
It's great something is being done in this space, but $19,999 for a problem Microsoft is largely responsible for feels like extortion.
Microsoft is playing at the integration game. The Surface Hub is a knock-out, they gave it a decent whirl at the Surface Pro 4 (honestly, it's the best far note-taking device on the market IMO simply because the PixelSense display is so stylus friendly - writing on it is nearly like writing on paper), and their very very crummy phone apparently is going to run native Win10 binaries on the new 4-core ARMs so they can leverage all those previous apps and throw them into the ecosystem.
I really wanted to like the Nokia 1520. The screen was fantastic. Man, it drove me crazy though.
If you have four people per meeting being paid minimum wage in the UK (~$10), you only need to save about 15 minutes a day for a basic hourly cost to even out.
I'm pretty sure I lose a few minutes a day waiting for a single meeting room to be setup properly, as the speaker has been taken one day, it's logged out, someone forgets a cable, etc. And I'm just one meeting in those rooms.
I've never heard this before-- and in fact most people seem to say the opposite.
Just looked on eBay and according to recent sold listings, as of the past few days a 5 could easily bring $100-150 depending on configuration. That's a 4+ year old phone.
Well, duh. I wasn't comparing the iPhone to an actual investment. The Galaxy S3 (released at roughly same time) is now selling for ~$50 on eBay (sometimes a bit higher).
Let's do a comparison that makes sense. The Samsung Galaxy S3 (released at roughly the same time)is currently selling on eBay for $20-50.
Nobody is coming 15 minutes early to a meeting. That's unheard of in all of the enterprises I've worked.
And with there being more and more meetings often you are literally running from one room to another.
Coming prepared has saved me far more time that rocking up just on time and then trying to set it up only for windows to update. People also learn that my meetings matter because they have a purpose and we get right on it, saving up on people showing late etc...
Investing those 15 minutes of my time really goes a long way for everyone else which benefits me too.
Then there's the perception thing. 20 people twiddling their thumbs while a meeting is set up is totally acceptable, but a single person monopolising a meeting room just to mess about with a laptop? Rude.
We're pretty impressed with our surface hub. As others have said, it "just works". The twin cameras are pretty good at picking up who's speaking and following them if they move around, and even though it's really not doing anything spectacular, it does it well and has that all-important "fancy new technology" feel that exec's love.
Also dont make it a habit of just fixing the A/V _after_ the meeting has started, all that signals is your are a good proxy for IT help. If you know a colleague doesn't prepare show up early to help but dont continually swoop to the rescue
In technology terms, this is a glacial age! I find it amazing they were able to persist and refine the technology into a successful product. Kudos!
* old Surface: a table.
* new Surface: a brand that started out with tablets but now includes a convertible laptop, a desktop, and a conference room computer.
* old PixelSense: a renamed old Surface with new fancy (very cool) display technology that includes optical sensing pixels, but seems defunct ATM.
* new PixelSense: the screen of a new Surface (high resolution, capacitive touch, stylus).
(disclaimer: used to work for Microsoft but with no inside knowledge)
And compare to:
Two totally different things.
The Jamboard may be superior but the Jamboard doesn't exist as an actual product. We have no final demos, no release date (except "2017"), no specs, and no prices. When the Jamboard ships, only then can we draw decent comparisons.
Yeah, but it's Google. It feels like at least half their products that are announced with big fanfare either are never released, or released and then scrapped after just a couple years (Code, Wave, Code Search, ...).
Similarly if you hype before release and deliver, you will never be able to meet the hype that you set yourself and that will lead to failure.
For example, my employer got to taste pre-alpha .NET, back in the day.
It's been over 10 years since Docs and its shocking how businesses haven't started using it. MS is trying to imitate those experiences but 365 in a browser is still painful.
The fact that you need an app to connect to Surface is so alien in my universe.
> to boot, it's a piece of hardware that it got right even in version one
Except it's not version one; see the surface and surface 2 before the current surface :)
Comes really close to forecasting the smart phone, but instead of an intensely personal device, they envision very similar devices that are shared and spread out through the environment. Surface Hub seems to have struck a nerve for the "shared environment" paradigm, wonder if there are still other opportunities in the "pads and tabs" paradigms. What could be done with "virtual post it notes", for example, whose content is always kept up to date, and placed in the context where they are most relevant?
It does increase lock-in of course. I would argue that so many companies are already heavily invested in M$ that this is unlikely to affect relative lock-in hugely.
To put it another way, if I'm already in prison and someone buys me a comfy chair, I'm likely to appreciate it.
Example: I am in an office where 90+% of people work with Macs and iOS products. The integration between those two is not seamless by any make or measure. I would rather have a product that worked between the two than a single product trying to mold it's way into the entire space.
Skype sucks in audio and video quality and those are really important to my company.
We have a solution from Cisco which had excellent video and audio quality sadly it's just a Tv that can call another Cisco TV and share the screen including a very good webcam. No whiteboard features or something like that, no touchscreen. Except the small tablet to control the thing
In addition, you can't really install anything on it, so it's tough / impossible to meet automated compliance checking (AV in place, etc.).
I guess this is really an IT group not trying hard to support it, but it was an eye opener to see the round peg / square hole thing going on.
Having said that, it's a nice whiteboard / Skype appliance. Nobody mentions the stand. It's built like a tank and finished really cleanly. Also would be nice if it weighed less. Smaller people really have to lean into it to move it.
Sounds like people are actually rolling them out through all their conference rooms
Kinda cool to sit down with a coffee and have a quick chat with someone in another country, like internal chat-roulette.
I could imagine a surface hub could make a very fancy virtual catalogue for going through the manufacturers full range of models, trim levels and options for instance. Maybe something a higher-end brand would be interested in (after all such dealerships often abound with fancy furniture for customers)?
The dealers are all independent, and they might want to purchase something like this. They have been moving away from paper catalogs...
* purchase research - deciding what parts to buy and making sure they'll all work out of the box and that the computer is fast enough to support what people will be doing with it
* physical setup - hooking up those external PCs and peripherals and making sure they are all working like an appliance so that you don't need an IT person "turn it on" for the salesperson before every meeting, etc.
* support - if something goes wrong, you're talking to Microsoft, without figuring out which part is broken and then figuring out who to call
Considering a decent 1080p 55" touch display is probably going to run you around $3K (and it doesn't have active pen support), I'm not sure $9K is that unreasonable for a business, especially if it stays in operation for five years or more.
-- edit: i realized the parent was responding to the to car showrooms comment and not boardrooms after the fact - but left the post here for the context of boardrooms
I suspect a fully-fledged surface will seem a lot more fluid and interesting than a PC with touch display. Think Android 2.3 vs latest iOS (or indeed vs iOS of the android 2.3 era).
Google Assistant tells me the song is "Out of Time" by Levitation (but I didn't click the track to listen so it may be wrong).
Edit: The one I have in mind was more like this one in terms of setting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRU3NemA95k
The main issue is people not taking care of equipment in shared spaces like meeting rooms. The technology is usually the least of your problems.
The thing that struck me was that after installing the pkg I got taken straight to the conference - I didn't have to go back to the link, put any ID / PIN or anything. It was seamless.
Also meeting room participants can effortlessly participate using a PC/Mac dongle to share content to the boards wirelessly.
The Hub may be a shiny new Cadillac but like them, require constant professional maintenance. The DisplayTen board we use was out of the box and set up in a matter of minutes with updates done in a simple and timely matter.
It actually records all meetings or meaningful team interactions (video mainly) and it allows people to bookmark the moments and put context. After the end of the meeting, all bookmarks, tasks etc are saved and you can share important points with people that could not be there.
The most amazing thing is that you can mention people with permalinks that get you in the exact time something was said.
Now, can it run on a hardware like Microsoft of whatever?
but the innovation is in the concept of LIVING MEETINGS that they live after their end, since people can go in and socially enlive them :)
Once again Peter Bright being the ultimate Microsoft shill. (I knew this was him before even clicking on the article just from the headline.)
2000 * 50 * $15000 = $1.5 billion
I think that objectively counts as a hit...
Obviously it makes the most sense for companies with "G Suite" as employees can then use gCal to book conference rooms, set up Hangouts video chats in the rooms, etc.
And Google's product costs one-tenth as much. I know there's no way I'd get a budget to spend $7k/room at my company, given we only spend $500/room for furniture the last time we redid them.
Having an ok experience with them at my company. Occasionally one needs reimaging but overall I forget they are there.