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I think you're implying that those punishments are wrong. What would be justice in your eyes for the three crimes described? To mine, the proportionality seems more than a little out of whack.

- Stolen TV (let's say $1000 burglary)

- Stolen car (let's say $15,000)

- $500MM fraud




Mostly I'm implying that your argument doesn't hold weight. You don't throw someone in prison because if you don't there's a double standard with some other offence. You throw them in there because the crime they committed warranted it.

I'll play anyway for funzies though. First offence?

All 3 should be a non-bankruptable fine with a floor that also scales with historical earnings and wealth. I can't give specific numbers because I think it should be set at figures large enough to act as a suitable deterrent which I don't know and would need to research. Since in a scenario where I'm magically put in charge of the legal system I would have the means and incentive to do that research, I think that's fair on my part. Potentially some public shaming involving stocks and vegetable throwing depending on its cost effectiveness as a deterrent as well.

I imagine the fine amount would be far greater for the fraud though, which would help with the lack of proportionality.


I'm curious, so what do you do if the fine is never paid?

ETA: IS a non-bankruptable fne proportional if the fraud actually bankrupted many others? What if the consequence of the fraud on said victims then led them to further crimes which led them to a ruined life of pverty and squalor? Is a non-bankruptable fine still proportionate? What if it led to suicide, or armed robbery, or even murder...


Thank you for a much more thoughtful comment. I think you make a lot of good points. Do you think that the fines should be proportionate with respect to the status of the person convicted?

I think one issue is the perception that some very rich people can afford to pay those large fines, which acts as less of a deterrent.


Absolutely, that's what I meant by "scales with historical earnings and wealth."


So you did. Sorry I missed that. Cheers!




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