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Creative Commons licences under scrutiny: What does “noncommercial” mean? (arstechnica.co.uk)
47 points by detaro on Oct 2, 2016 | hide | past | favorite | 8 comments



Is FedEx advertising to school with an offer to distribute Great Minds works, or are they doing a general offer of printing/delivering and it is the schools that request that specifically Great Minds works should be copied and distributed to them.

As normally with copyright cases, intentions are important. If FedEx is intentionally using BY-NC-SA 4.0 work as a part of their commercial venture, then the case should be ruled against them. If the schools are using a commercial venture in their usage of a BY-NC-SA 4.0 work, then the commercial venture is a third-party and the suit should not hold any water unless the school and third-party is operating as a single entity (ie, a conspiracy, which in this case would be rather far fetched).


It's almost certainly the latter, see the suit

https://creativecommons.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Compl...


As I've written elsewhere [1], the NC variant (in particular) of CC is just a bad idea. There have been attempts to better define NC going back at least a decade and I don't think it can really be done. There are aspects of commerce in just about all but the most trivial cases. Even defining in terms of "non-profits" in US tax code doesn't really help. A lot of people intending their work to be used non-commercially probably wouldn't be OK with the NRA using it for the cover of their magazine.

It's also a non-free license per common definitions of the term although that's a philosophical point rather than a practical one. But it's probably worth observing that no significant open source software license has this sort of restriction.

[1] https://www.cnet.com/news/does-the-noncommercial-creative-co...


> Even defining in terms of "non-profits" in US tax code doesn't really help

Yup, "non-profit" does not mean that an entity is not allowed to make a profit. All it means is that it cannot distribute that to shareholders in the form of dividends. In other words you cannot buy stock in a nonprofit and entitle yourself to distributions of its profits. (And while it wasn't addressed in the article, being an arm or entity of the state works the same way. Government agencies and nationalized corporations are just as capable of pursuing and making a profit as for-profit corporations in the private sector.)

"Noncommercial" is a terrible idea that gets even worse the more you look at it. All "profit" means is that you're creating something (the output) that's more valuable (to some other entity) than what you started with (your inputs, which include your time/effort and the opportunity cost of whatever else you could have done with those resources). So prohibiting profits is, literally, prohibiting somebody from improving the licensed work in any capacity. You might as well say, "You are free to use this work, but you cannot benefit from it in any way".

Furthermore, as you mention, commerce is everywhere. Nearly every interaction between two beings can be deemed related to "commerce"[0] in some capacity. If you're trying to prevent commercial activity, why bother using a CC license in the first place?

[0] We have half a century of consecutive SCOTUS rulings - from Wickard v. Filburn to United States v. Lopez telling us exactly that.


And probably my biggest objection is that it's such a seductive feel good license--bathe in the glow that comes from contributing to the commons without worrying that $EVIL_CORP might (horrors!) make money off your work--that it's really a very natural license for people who haven't thought about the issues to pick.

Non-derivative has problems too. I find it somewhat ironic that CC partly has its roots in the idea of remix culture, which ND doesn't allow. OTOH, I see reasonable arguments to be made with some types of works for preserving whatever original artistic vision went into their creation.


> OTOH, I see reasonable arguments to be made with some types of works for preserving whatever original artistic vision went into their creation.

That's what requirements to clearly label modified versions as modified are for: so that you know whether you have the original or not, and where to find the original if you want the original.


Oh, I'm not really prepared to make a strong defense of No Derivatives if only because it seems counter to the remix spirit of Creative Commons.

>requirements to clearly label modified versions

Though, to be fair, CC labeling and attribution generally is a bit fraught with practical issues. Media like photos used in presentations etc. can easily get separated from associated metadata. To be clear, I try to be careful when I use CC content but I'm sure that I mess up from time to time because it ends up being a pretty manual process.


ISTM the educational materials firm have decided to change their strategy. They have also decided to pretend that the strategy hasn't changed, that they never intended to allow teachers to use print shops. Apparently they have a pretty low opinion of teachers.

[EDIT:] This is certainly a threat to the CC model, so I'm glad that FedEx are fighting it for now.




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