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Are there any examples of cities or states that have been able to successfully transition from expensive to affordable housing in a non-castastrophic manner?

Even at a more local level ( https://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ ), the problem is complex with many stakeholders. How do you get everyone to agree and try to reach a better solution?



Governor Brown has a bill that will help a lot with thee problems: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/real-estate/201...


Although this prevents city reviews for housing that meets this requirement, can cities simply rezone to prevent this?

In other words, can cities simply down zone desirable areas and force the developer to apply for exemptions on a case by case basis which is tantamount to the current city reviews?


Downzoning requires CEQA review. There's no way an environmental review is going to conclude that increased sprawl is good for the environment.


> new projects with 20 percent affordable housing for tenants making no more than 80 percent of the area median income or projects with 10 percent affordable housing near transit would be exempt from most local reviews.

That sounds great, but think of it this way: a 200-unit luxury apartment complex that includes a shithole in the back with 40 units that lack parking and a separate access door would be exempt from local oversight. Does that sound like a pattern for success to you?


More stock is more stock. The guys moving into the rich condos live somewhere now, presumably somewhere worse, since they want to move. It's demonstrably effective in freeing up lower income apartments. Perhaps these lower income apartments are still going to be expensive, and available only to whatever you define as the "wrong kind of people", but you gotta start someplace.


There was an article that something like 45% of new units are bought by foreigners and people from other metros.


Sure, but that presupposes that they aren't buying units already. I don't think that's likely.


No, it really isn't. That's basically the equivalent of trickle-down economics, which has been shown to be a failure.


Still better than no development at all.


If you have a better idea, I'm really interested in hearing it.


The tragedy of the anti-commons, which is part of what drives all this, necessitates government action over the desires of stakeholders, so while we could avoid "catastrophe," we're unlikely to make every stakeholder involved happy. Things like eminent domain, actual public housing (need to repeal QWHRA), and new policies that support renting (Germany, Singapore, and Austria are great examples of quite varied housing policy that manage to give renters relatively cheap housing.)

Check out the Vienna system:

http://www.governing.com/topics/economic-dev/gov-affordable-...

We'd need a radical cultural change to allow that kind of thing here, but considering how things are going with prices, this is a good time for a real change.


It essentially never happens. What can happen is that you develop new neighborhoods so the city overall becomes less expensive.

Edit: If you disagree it's quite simple to simple mentioning the relevant market were this has happened instead of downvoting. This emotionalism of HN is really getting annoying these days.

Prices almost never go down organically because it actually gets harder to build as things gets more developed, stake holders would have to take real losses to the detriment of the local economy, housing in these areas are almost essentially always a sellers market etc.

The "just build more" meme on HN is BS. In essentially no popular cities where this have been done have prices gone down or necessarily stabilized including the common examples of NY, HK or Paris.


Nope. Brexit style armchair quarterbacks all the way down.




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