On: Fred Brooks retires

[Spooky23]

The point is that he is a humble man. Not something you see every day for someone that well known and respected.

[mhurron → Spooky23]

> Not something you see every day for someone that well known and respected.

And that is why it is sad, that what is expected of people is to become successful assholes.

[goldenkey → Spooky23]

"and respected" Seems perverse to conflate uppityness with being respected. I'd say it's quite the inverse.

[Spooky23 → goldenkey]

Good point... I bungled my point :).

I think there is a "celebrity" version where external folks have a great deal of respect for the narrative/persona that they see publicly. A lot of times the "real story" is that the guy is a walking shitshow from the perspective of the folks around him.

Then you have the rare folks who are respected in the wider world and by their peers.