>And tell me about all of those wonderful command-line games!
You can pry my MUDs out of my cold, dead hands, thank you very much.
More seriously, it simply says {applications, games} x {desktop, web, CLI}, where the (game, CLI) tuple is left for the reader to filter out. Obviously it primarily means CLI applications. I think you're being unreasonably pedantic.
And yes, server-side programming is part of web programming.
I really see nothing wrong with the new Guile website. In fact I think it's excellent both in information and artwork. :-)
>Obviously it primarily means CLI applications. I think you're being unreasonably pedantic.
My point is that that style of conveying information is more propagandistic than it is truly informative. It is in the style of a typical startup in the valley run by Stanford whiz kids who are trying to impress their classmates as much anything else. Everyone who is already hip to hacker culture knows how to correctly interpret those kinds of statements, but everyone else is just left more confused.
Gnu-ish tools like Guile really have no place in the marketplace of "hipster in a Starbucks with a Macbook plastered with shiny decals" kinds of technologies, and to pretend otherwise is to do a disservice to humanity, IMO.
I just see this style of "informing" as an end of a kind of age of innocence, when seekers of deep knowledge about technology could go to the gnu.org domain, and be absolutely certain that they weren't being sold a bill of goods.
>You do realize Hacker News itself is a Lisp application on the web?
...and now we finally arrive at the fundamental quarrel that I have with using the terms "web" and "application", such that, when linked, can lead to a state of confusion about the nature of the technologies involved.
In the generic sense, there is application vs theory, so that everything that has to do with a real computer program is always going to be an "application", and therefore, any arbitrary program that is used as a backend for a website, can indeed be called something of an "application for the web".
But this is not what normal human beings are thinking about when they use the word "application" in conjunction with their own computing devices. They are thinking about whatever is running on their machine that they can sense, and can thus physically interact with.
In this way, the correct dichotomy is application vs service. So, the Lisp backend for HN is just a service for the user facing application (the web browser).
All of this goes hand-in-hand with my larger point about styles of informing that are not quite as informative as they can possibly be.
But at least the information on the Screen page is the god's honest truth...
This site, however, is a load of pure propaganda.
> With Guile you can create applications and games for the desktop, the Web, the command-line, and more.
You can create applications on the web with Lisp? Really?!?
And tell me about all of those wonderful command-line games!
But then there is always the "more". Whatever the hell that is.
Holy shit, the world has just gone completely insane.