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Is it really unethical? Everybody knows that part of their facebook is viewable to the world, and they can change it and make it private if they want.

I don't this tactic makes spamming any more or less ethical.




This is where our hacker stupidity/blindness sets in.

'Everybody' in your sentence actually means 'computer programmers/tech savvy people/criminals'.

And this is why Facebook's move is so distressing. My Mum and Dad don't know this. My 'normal' friends don't. It is a disaster waiting to happen.


'Everybody' in your sentence actually means 'computer programmers/tech savvy people/criminals'.

Considering the overwhelming, and increasing, importance of information technology in basically every aspect of our lives, I feel less sympathy every year for people who are not "tech savvy". Now sure, cue calls of arrogant elitism from the privileged classes, etc. But tell me, where does it end? At what point do we say that people should learn the basics about the things they use every day, and that might harm them?

We teach kids that electricity is something to be careful about. We require drivers to pass tests. And yet the internet is, or soon will be, the single most important thing on earth and yet I know people who could not tell you what HTTP or DNS stands for or where "internet" even comes from. We need to start teaching this shit in schools. It is becoming basic required knowledge to function in modern society and should form part of standardised education. Ignorance is not a defence in law, why should it be here?


But tell me, where does it end? At what point do we say that people should learn the basics about the things they use every day, and that might harm them?

Agreed; but none of these sites tell you, in a clear, concise and understandable way what information is available and at what level. Facebook is fairly good - but you still have to go digging.


Good point, but people don't even seem to be thinking enough to look for such a document. They should be intuitively aware of the risks and possibilities associated with companies holding this kind of information.

I didn't need to read Facebook's privacy agreements to know that there was no way in hell I was going to hand them my entire social graph on a platter just in exchange for a free blog and image hosting. Just the certain knowledge that law enforcement will have easy, reliable access to a list of all my friends, with contact information no less, is a total showstopper. Maybe I'm paranoid but I don't understand why more people aren't considering these things.


> Maybe I'm paranoid but I don't understand why more people aren't considering these things.

By today's standard, you are paranoid. By reasonable standards however, you are just informed. The internet is mainstream for 10, maybe 15 years. This is not enough for normal people to learn about it. This is not enough for parents to teach kids.

People are learning, however. See my aunt, while refusing to even use a computer, likes to "spy" on some of her acquaintances by asking her daughter to check the relevant Facebook profile.

I am confident that people will learn. They will make the distinction between private and public. They will see how massive centralization of data (Facebook, Gmail) could be used. I think, however that this will be long. Maybe another 10 or 15 years.


I wouldn't go so far as to say everyone knows that part of their Facebook profile is viewable to the world, but one should still assume that any information posted online is public, even if said person has some quaint notion of privacy.

Simple rule: if you don't want it made public, don't put it on the internet.

As for ethics, I don't find anything wrong with using information gained using this method unethical if it's used in an aggregate. If, as the article suggests, you use it to find out that the majority of your users are gay, you might be able to fine tune your site to better serve their needs. Or it could reveal to you that your site is too niche and make you generalize it better. If you use it to cold contact random people using their personal information gained surreptitiously, then your ethics could certainly be questioned.


Everybody knows that part of their facebook is viewable to the world

No, that was a CHANGE in Facebook's policies after at least 200 million people had signed up. Some of those things can no longer be changed to be private.


>Some of those things can no longer be changed to be private.

Which things?


You cannot make your friends list private from your friends or friends friends anymore. If you had this turned on, it was switched off.


Someone else can check the ToS and privacy notice, but if I remember correctly sex and religion went to world-viewable by default if they are specified on the profile at all.

After edit: "The Ugly: Information That You Used to Control Is Now Treated as 'Publicly Available,' and You Can't Opt Out of The 'Sharing' of Your Information with Facebook Apps"

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/facebooks-new-privacy-c...


>Someone else can check the ToS and privacy notice, but if I remember correctly sex and religion went to world-viewable by default if they are specified on the profile at all.

I know some of the defaults changed, but that's not what I asked.




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