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The expert is Theresa Deisher, who has strong views against the use of human embryonic stem cells for any purpose. See http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110209/full/470156a.html .


look at the data, I did. 400,000+ adverse event reports

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data#downloads


How do you figure 400,000+ adverse event reports, and why do you think that raw number is useful?

As you know, because you had to acknowledge the statement:

> "A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine."

I downloaded the 2014 data set, 2014VAERData.csv. There are fewer than 35K reports for all of 2014, across all vaccines. There are 25 years of reports. Did you simply add up all the reports for the last 25 years to get your 400,000+ count? (Based on your report elsewhere, that seems to be the case.)

One of the <21K reports for 2015 is:

> Pt. fainted for just a few seconds after the shot and once he gained consciousness he informed us that he could hear everything and apologized for not informing us earlier that he always passes out for less than a minute for any shots due to immense fear of shots. He was absolutely fine in less than a minute and said it wasn't because of vaccines.

another is:

> Fainted after varicella, Tdap, HPV and meningo. Had not eaten since 8am. Vaccines given at 4pm.

A third is:

> I am an RN and therefore am knowledgable in respect of proper/safe IM injection technique. I could tell that the vaccinator was nervous & can remember the feeling so I looked away in hopes of taking some pressure off of him. After the initial stick, I could tell something was wrong and turned to look at what was happening. This is when I noticed the worried look on the administrator's face before he proceeded to withdraw the needle a little bit and then inject the vaccine. I myself was very worried once I realized how very high up on my arm the injection was placed. It felt as if he had administered the shot directly into my joint & completely missed any sliver of muscle tissue altogether. After receiving the vaccine, I instantly/constantly experienced extreme pain in shoulder w/ any movement, range of motion, stretching, weight bearing, etc. The pain has since caused me to wake up in the middle of the night and is only somewhat relieved with high doses of NSAIDS.

A fourth is:

> Initial misuse report received from a healthcare professional on 12 November 2013. A 10-year-old patient (gender was not reported) received a dose of DAPTACEL. No adverse event was reported. Documents held by sender: none.

Did you include all of these in your count? If so, why?


I am looking at a dataset from 01/01/1996 - 12/31/2012

The table that contains individual reports has 407,141 rows in it, these are distinct reports.

There are also 3,796 deaths reported in those 407,141 reports.

Since you included some samples from the SYMPTOM_TEXT column, let me provide a few as well:

Hypotonic, Hyporesponsive episode, Infant died: Reyes text Syndrome. Vaccine given for routine immunizations.

child found dead in bed 14Jan90. Had full check up 12Jan90 with immunizations DPT/HIB/Oral Polio

Pt admitted with H-Flu meningitis on 24Jun90. Pt expired on 25Jun90. Pt received HIB vaccine at 18 months of age.

Our office became aware of the infants death by an acquaintance of the family. This person also states that cause of death was determined to be S.I.D.S.

Relapse of ITP: 18 year-old female with immune thrombocytopenic purpura, diagnosed in 1995 and in remission from 2004 to 2011 following treatment with Rituximab. Relapse in early April, 2011, followed administration of Gardasil vaccine on 10-26-10 and 1-7-11. Relapse of ITP led eventually to death from intracranial hemorrhage on 07/06/2011.

Infant reportedly co-sleeping. Found nonresponsive. EMS took to ER - 24 hr in PICU - arrested and died.


Quick VAERS symptom aggregation top 150

Injection site erythema - 31700

Erythema - 20235

Pyrexia - 16055

Injection site hypersensitivity - 11473

Arthralgia - 10373

Rash - 9459

Drug ineffective - 9282

Agitation - 9204

Dizziness - 8908

Asthenia - 8852

Chills - 8095

Cellulitis - 7437

Headache - 7361

Convulsion - 7083

Urticaria - 6678

Injection site pain - 6355

Pruritus - 6345

Pain - 5293

Dermatitis bullous - 4927

Diarrhoea - 4843

Crying - 4598

Cough - 4590

Abdominal pain - 4461

Unevaluable event - 4338

Inappropriate schedule of drug administration - 4313

Herpes zoster - 3935

Dyspnoea - 3920

Vomiting - 3615

Body temperature increased - 3567

Blister - 3434

Feeling hot - 3407

Oedema peripheral - 3245

Nausea - 3212

Fatigue - 2936

Myalgia - 2872

Injection site swelling - 2691

Injection site reaction - 2673

Expired drug administered - 2655

Syncope - 2550

Anorexia - 2545

Infection - 2529

Injection site oedema - 2484

Hypoaesthesia - 2472

Chest pain - 2427

Pain in extremity - 2389

Back pain - 2363

Hypersensitivity - 2226

Incorrect storage of drug - 2040

Abdominal pain upper - 2009

Paraesthesia - 2008

Hypokinesia - 1969

Malaise - 1908

Injection site mass - 1868

Condition aggravated - 1787

Apnoea - 1741

Activities of daily living impaired - 1710

Lymphadenopathy - 1708

Chest discomfort - 1681

Face oedema - 1616

Irritability - 1599

Medication error - 1572

Injection site rash - 1569

Screaming - 1563

Febrile convulsion - 1526

Wrong drug administered - 1497

Rash maculo-papular - 1487

Contusion - 1480

Oedema - 1477

Rash erythematous - 1471

Injection site induration - 1403

Asthma - 1391

Immediate post-injection reaction - 1336

Injected limb mobility decreased - 1265

Anxiety - 1259

No adverse event - 1256

Pallor - 1249

Incorrect dose administered - 1221

Tremor - 1186

Vasodilatation - 1175

Abnormal behaviour - 1173

Decreased appetite - 1159

Injection site warmth - 1125

Injection site cellulitis - 1122

Swelling - 1097

Hyperhidrosis - 1079

Influenza - 1052

Abasia - 1032

Varicella - 1026

Blood test - 1022

Cyanosis - 1019

Drug exposure during pregnancy - 1017

Rash vesicular - 1016

Burning sensation - 1014

Rash generalised - 1013

Somnolence - 979

Hypotonia - 974

Influenza like illness - 930

Gait disturbance - 930

Laboratory test abnormal - 919

Loss of consciousness - 913

Ecchymosis - 909

Autism - 905

Rash papular - 857

Erythema multiforme - 832

Anaphylactic reaction - 812

Viral infection - 793

Abdominal discomfort - 787

Neck pain - 781

Injection site pruritus - 771

Muscular weakness - 763

Guillain-Barre syndrome - 759

Fall - 752

Drug administered to patient of inappropriate age - 748

Discomfort - 736

Lethargy - 735

Musculoskeletal stiffness - 731

Arthritis - 729

Facial palsy - 714

Skin warm - 713

Pharyngitis - 713

Dysphagia - 712

Alanine aminotransferase increased - 704

Dyskinesia - 685

Alopecia - 678

Blood culture negative - 675

Insomnia - 671

Varicella post vaccine - 670

Blood pressure increased - 668

Eye swelling - 668

Rash pruritic - 665

Musculoskeletal pain - 650

Dehydration - 644

Cold sweat - 622

Injection site urticaria - 620

Conjunctivitis - 618

Hypertonia - 608

Abscess - 596

Bacterial infection - 581

Rash macular - 576

Anaemia - 574

Tenderness - 570

Chest X-ray normal - 566

Flushing - 566

Amnesia - 556

Full blood count - 549

Axillary pain - 540

Confusional state - 538

Feeling abnormal - 535

Muscle twitching - 535

Computerised tomogram normal - 533


You appear to be trying to overwhelm people with meaningless and uninterpretable data. "If you can't convince them, confuse them"?

The top problems are that there was some localized effect where the shot went into the body. This is a well-known possibility for any shot, and nothing specific due to vaccines.

Apparently 566 people reported a "Chest X-ray normal" as an adverse affect and 533 people reported "Computerised tomogram normal". And this is something to worry about because ... why?




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