this post and many of the comments here don't necessarily have a "semiotic" or "usage-based language acquisition" or "emergent-grammar" nature about them ...
which is fine ... just different results ...
specifically:
1. meaning is usage.
2. structure emerges from usage.
this post and many of the comments have a world view akin to:
1. meaning is structure.
2. usage emerges from structure.
what i mean by this is that the "analysis" of the text doesn't exist in the same "world" as the text.
meaning that its nothing like "real" (natural) language.
what i mean further by this is simple:
humans don't "use" natural language... it is an emergent property of other systems of externalized behaviors and such by individual humans.
and such emergent properties and systems are also evident in any development of this actual system and many of the comments here.
producing the comprehension introduces in-comprehensible things ... or at best just divorces systems (discontinuous) ... at which point any thing can be any thing, so debating it as such here doesn't even matter (value) .
im not exactly sure what im saying here but it is akin to:
1. nthorder cybernetics (mostly like 3rd and 4th and such)
2. autopoesis (humberto maturana and francisco valera)
im going through the same type of analysis regarding "activity stream" type APIs which use an "actor verb object" type form ... (usage from structure) ...
which is fine ... just different results ...
specifically:
1. meaning is usage. 2. structure emerges from usage.
this post and many of the comments have a world view akin to:
1. meaning is structure. 2. usage emerges from structure.
what i mean by this is that the "analysis" of the text doesn't exist in the same "world" as the text.
meaning that its nothing like "real" (natural) language.
what i mean further by this is simple:
humans don't "use" natural language... it is an emergent property of other systems of externalized behaviors and such by individual humans.
and such emergent properties and systems are also evident in any development of this actual system and many of the comments here.
producing the comprehension introduces in-comprehensible things ... or at best just divorces systems (discontinuous) ... at which point any thing can be any thing, so debating it as such here doesn't even matter (value) .
im not exactly sure what im saying here but it is akin to:
1. nthorder cybernetics (mostly like 3rd and 4th and such) 2. autopoesis (humberto maturana and francisco valera)
im going through the same type of analysis regarding "activity stream" type APIs which use an "actor verb object" type form ... (usage from structure) ...