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> It will save you work in the long run

That's the biggest lie of them all. And maintenance? No one does that, they do re-writes. How many hours have I wasted on this joke of not using tables?



Have you ever operated a website with over a hundred pages? Just curious.

And as far as hours wasted, having coded both ways, and originally viewing css as stupid and more work, I can now code a website in half the time using it than tables.

In fact, when I'm just hacking something quick, it's great not to bother with any layout at all and just come back to it when I have the time. You can't do that with tables.


Who maintains 'hundreds of pages' of HTML? Don't you offload everything into templates or dynamically generate it? The last time I managed hundreds of pages of html, or even html with dynamic content spliced in, was in 2001, and that was against my will.

A quick rewrite took care of that too. HTML is an output format, not a language.


As an output format, it should be easily altered to display in various forms.

CSS with semantic HTML achieves this, embedded presentation does not.


> achieves this

The hell it does... Not to mention that separating the two is such a futile waste of time in so many cases.


I was a lead developer on a massive website...

If you are a programmer on a large site you won't touch the design. It will be done by a skilled designer, or designing firm. You won't care how its done whatsoever.

There is a lot more to say here...but basically you won't touch the design. Or want to. Or care how its done :)


Which is why you shouldn't be using HTML to "present" data. You do exactly this when you attempt to use tables for things other than tabular data.


Boy, would I love to never have to think of XHTML/CSS.

The reality has always been quite different.

At least churning out valid XHTML+CSS from Photoshop designs has now become a commodity business: http://onwebapps.com/39-photoshop-psd-to-xhtml-css-services/


I'm sorry you haven't seen the light yet, brother :-)




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