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KWC is a pretty fascinating place, but all I've ever seen about it is from people on the outside looking in. Are there any accounts from the people who lived there?

There's this Reddit AMA from a while back: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/13muo9/i_grew_up_in_t...

A few interviews in this video

https://youtu.be/g1wSj9X2igA?feature=shared


I cut my teeth on HyperCard and I'd say that the web (HTML, JavaScript) is a pretty good successor. Getting an image on a page and then linking between pages is quite satisfying when you're starting out. Something like a basic web page is great for a beginner but there's the whole gamut from there up to 3d games and virtual machines (wasm) to advance to when you're ready.


In the beginning of the Web the connections between Hypercard and the Web were known and intentional -- many early web browsers also included HTML editors because it was thought the Web would be a two-way street with users both reading pages and writing their own. The author of ViolaWWW (an early 1990s web browser) originally created it as an attempt to bring something like Hypercard to UNIX

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ViolaWWW


It's pretty appalling the number of people in this thread trying to rationalize and justify slavery.


This is anecdotal, but my experience has been the opposite. I briefly switched to Chrome some years ago because everyone else was and the dev tools were genuinely better, but as a user it felt clunky and slow, so I switched back to Firefox. They pretty quickly got their act together wrt to the debugger and such and so I only ever dropped into Chrome for work and to this day it's still clunky and slow. I never understood why anyone would want to stay with Chrome especially with Google ramping up their shenanigans.


Firefox has been fairly meh for me performance-wise, and tends to absorb memory over time. I kinda expected that with a few hundred tabs open.

What I didn't expect was how sluggish Firefox (119.0.1) would become on a brand new machine with around 20 tabs open. By the time I restarted it today, switching to Firefox and acquiring focus took about 2 seconds. I've a grand total of 3 plugins (FB Container, Multi-Account Container, uBlock Origin) installed.


I, like many others here, would love to have an EV. But in a world where people are being paid barely enough to eat, it's no wonder no one can afford premium EV prices. Make an affordable EV and people will buy it, that doesn't seem like a revolutionary idea to me.


they're still a fire hazard and expensive to insure for that.


nope


> the ancient Greek thing whose name I forget with alternating directions on each line

I believe the word you're looking for is "boustrophedon"


The word comes from the concept of plowing a field.


Yup, that's the one. Ευχαριστώ! :)


I used to love the 4chan-style contrarian attitude until, in high school people I knew were killed in Iraq. Then I started to realize that those kinds of nihilist attitudes have real-world consequences. Since then, that attitude has become mainstream (or perhaps just my awareness of it) and following has been a constant trail of death and misery. I can't not take it seriously anymore when my friends and loved ones are dying and turning on each other.


If we're assigning blame for nihilism and Iraq, let's not forget that WaPo, NYT, CNN, ABC, FOX and the rest of the pro-war media bear orders of magnitude more responsibility than fucking 4chan.


Oh I fully agree, that's what I mean by that attitude becoming more mainstream. Just growing up I saw that expressed more fully on 4chan before I saw it being adopted elsewhere.


4chan didn't even exist when we invaded Iraq. And the justification for invading Iraq was anything but nihilism, it was a bunch of patriotism and xenophobia wrapped in religious crusade. By the time we invaded we had killed (and acknowledged killing) a million children due to sanctions.

I can't make the connection you make. When people were protesting against the Iraq War, they were told that they didn't believe in anything. I don't understand personal tragedy as an argument against 4chan; everybody you know is going to die eventually, and virtually everybody you're speaking to has known two people who died prematurely and preventably. I, in particular, don't understand people who traveled to kill instead being killed as an argument against humor.

The idea that a 4chan that didn't exist created Judith Miller is bizarre.


iPhone September filled the internet up with people that never had "don't believe a single thing you read there" driven into their skulls. 4chan posting was and is a performance act. The attitude isn't the problem, pretending like context isn't a thing is the problem.

When the internet media and regular media merged one of two things had to happen. Either expose how much of a performance act the old school media was from jump street. Or make the idea of believing everything online at first pass a reasonable position to have.

Q anon grew and continues to exist precisely because it is in the best interests of "respectable" media outlets to not teach media literacy to their consumers.


I feel like contrarian techniques adopted by sane mind at cooperatively manageable scale (of zero) is great, but IMO users of reactive contrarianism that eventually emerges just deserve downvotes as external means of value judgement. However that leads to communal polarization, and to solve that, regular exposure events would be necessary ... I admire Reddit, at least for its architecture.


As far as I can tell, 4chan is vehemently against the current neoliberal wars. They laughed their asses off at the US abandoning Afghanistan and are questioning why the NATO has to be in Ukraine at all. Perhaps I misunderstood your tone.


That definitely wasn't the impression I got back when I frequented it but I'm glad if they're more antiwar now.


I am not familiar at all with 4chan and its functioning, but if I remember correctly there is no "they" in 4chan, similar to the "Anonymous" group... everyone can go into 4chan, sometimes a radical leftist will go there, next day a radical rightist will post. Is there actually a "cultural leaning" in that site?


Of course there are a cultural leanings at every "place". What kind of people frequent that place?

HN is no different. Anyone can come here and make any argument.


> 4chan is vehemently against the current neoliberal wars.

I'm sorry, what exactly makes the current wars neoliberal?


Cool! Anyone have resources on what has changed since then?


I highly recommend keepass + syncthing. Avoid some third party having access to your password store while keeping it backed up wherever you need it to be.


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