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Sounds bad. Hope Rust Foundation get their act together.


It really isn't. The author knows nothing about law, trademark law or anything else. They're speculating wildly to drum up drama.


Wish we could stop using such msft run nonsense, and build a p2p decentralised PR system. What's the challenges we need to address to make it happen?


> p2p decentralised PR system

My first thought was https://radicle.xyz/.

What a cruel twist of fate. Their downloads page is hosted on Github Pages, which is down right now! https://radicle.xyz/downloads.html

In any other situation I'd recommend it since it really was the tool of choice for decentralized git repos with lots of cool features. (Despite the "Empowering developers with DeFi building blocks like NFTs, token streams, and more" mentioned on the home page which throws me off)

Edit: It seems like the download page is up and working now.


> What's the challenges we need to address to make it happen?

I imagine the ability to resist $billion offers when you're successful would be one.


Hmm, great idea. We could build on Git as a storage medium, and we'd need a durable and reliable way to exchange patches. Something like ...email?

    $ man -k patches
    git-am(1) - Apply a series of patches from a mailbox
    git-format-patch(1) - Prepare patches for e-mail submission
    git-imap-send(1) - Send a collection of patches from stdin to an IMAP folder
    git-send-email(1) - Send a collection of patches as emails
Ironic that you're pondering Git as a solution to Github's self-created centralization problem.


I think they're talking more about the Pull Request interface with nice diffs, comments, automated tests and builders, status checks and so on...

You totally could develop in the kernel workflow, everything done over email, but are you willing to?


Yes :)


That would be great. But Github is a massive coordination point with network effects and free tiers so it's not so easy to compete. Some other challenges:

- despite being decentralized, you still need moderation and access control

- open source projects typically aren't great at frontend UI/UX

It would be neat if I could publish git repos on IPFS and receive patches from people. It's just hard to compete with a centralized, CDN'd service where you can click and get a result in 100ms.

edit: cribbing from sibling comment, it looks like Radicle has thought hard about decentralized git: https://radicle.xyz/blog/radicle-link.html


> p2p decentralised pr system

You mean Git? The Linux Kernel for e.g. does this just fine.


Yup. Can we build the same for less "power users"?

- A single startup file that starts up gitserver, a p2p node to enable repo discovery and submission of PRs.

- A web/electrum client that provides PR merge interface, and links to forks.

- user ids are their public keys, with non-unique nicks. There will only usually be one "jungly" on a repo.

We DO NOT need a blockchain for this. All those ethereum projects are messing things up by introducing an unnecessary coin that we really don't need.


No it shouldn't. We can do without one more centralised gateway to apps.


Crowdsourcing surveillance!


Had a similar experience.

Typed languages are great for systems development, and I think, not so good for writing web applications.

I also think, Ruby, Python, JS have dominated web dev world largely cause they don't come in the way of the developer having to constantly convert HTML (untyped) and JS (untyped)into types for the backend programming language.

Remember how ActiveRecord (not sure about SQLAlchemy) simply took away the pain of managing types? You didn't have to explicitly parse or cast "0.001" into 0.01.


ActiveRecord is parsing those types, you just don't do it explicitly. IME, a dynamic language may not get in your way when you need to go between JS and the backend, but it also certainly won't get in your way when you're about to shoot yourself in the foot in a large-ish project with errors that could've been caught at compile.


Well said! Couldn't agree more.

The GraphQL confusion is one more bullshit in the world of web dev.


I'm not totally against GraphQL in general. As an alternative to REST it can sometimes make sense. And let's be real, most REST APIs are absolute garbage. Anything would be better than a bad REST API.

And if, in fact, you are storing a graph in a graph database, the QL makes a bit of sense.

But nothing in the post makes any sense out of any of that. It's just Python bad; REST bad; I read too much hacker news, and I feel like it's time for a change.

Like, when I complain about other people's REST APIs, that's out of my control. This guy is saying that his API is garbage, and instead of fixing it to make it better, he's just going to redo everything with a worse result. I don't get it.


If you don't like REST, don't use it.

Whatever you do, don't even think that GraphQL will solve your problems. You were on the right track staying away from it till now.

I can't also advise enough to stay away from a typed language (Go in this case) serving data in a different typed language (gql). You will eventually be pulling your hair out jumping through hoops matching types.

After my last web project that require gql and go, I did some digging around, thinking, there has to be a better alternative to this. I have worked with jQuery, React, GraphQL.

My conclusion was that next time I will stick to turbolinks (https://github.com/turbolinks/turbolinks) and try stimulus (https://stimulusjs.org/).


> stimulus (https://stimulusjs.org/).

And here I thought Basecamp was still 100% rails. Interesting to see that they're also developing backend JS frameworks.


Stimulus is a frontend framework.


Turbolinks doesn't work with third party(js) anything.


I like my front end team to not write queries.

I have seen too many front end developers write queries equivalent to "select * from users, t1, t2, ... tn, left outer join on users.id = t1.user_id... etc etc etc".

I think that is just bullshit.

I prefer to tell the frontend people - these are the endpoints that backend team provides, go live with it. If you really have issues, talk to them, and they might just add a new endpoint for you.

If you let frontend developers dictate backend queries, all you will get is a big master cluster fuck. I am talking average joe developers that we usually find to work on startups.


I think Frontend has the right to take over certain domains of the backend. A very clear example of this is templating. Templating used to be a backend task, but it became very clear it was the frontend developers that needed power over this domain. Going over to a backend dev to make adjustments to the templates is an inefficiency that had to be solved, period.

I agree with you that writing optimal queries or data modeling should not be shifted over to the frontend. With that said, there are basic aspects of this equation that can be factored out. There should be a layer where frontend can at the very least pick or mix the data they need. That doesn’t necessarily mean Graphql, but could also mean a simple middle stack layer where one can do this basic thing without being able to shoot themselves in the foot.

There’s a responsible way to do this, and most likely will be an ongoing discussion.


k8s and even docker are trying to solve a problem not many people will ever face. However, being the sexy new things loads of people get sucked into integrating it into their stack from the word go.

Being reluctant to adopt new technology unless you really really need might be a more sensible thing to do.


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