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Quiet quitting is the intelligent response by employees who don't have effective incentive programs to reward them for more work completed. If there were better incentives, it would be less of a problem.

Yes. No incentives, no excess motivation. However, these companies don’t know how to accurately measure production in jobs other than sales, so there are no incentives for them to offer incentives. Classic chicken or egg problem.

The fact you have to implement these is a reason to use something other than C.

Did he actually sell the drugs, or did he just create a communications platform? Should all communications platforms be liable for what people do on them?

He actually sold a ton of drugs too.. you don't need to raise these questions as unknowable hypotheticals, it's literally a google search away to find out. The first sales on the site were trashbags full of mushrooms that he grew in a cabin in Texas.

Mushrooms aren't responsible for any deaths as far as I'm aware.

If you drive the get away car in a bank robbery and someone inside is murdered, guess what? You get to be charged as well.

True. If he is culpable for other people dealing drugs on his platform, then so is Meta and Mark Zuckerberg for allowing WhatsApp to facilitate drug trades.

Nah, that treatment is reserved for Telegram. Zuck does MMA and isn't Russian so he's cool.

He does block certain tags 'by accident'.

Plus he didn't even sell the drugs. He created a technology platform that facilitates it. I can think of many other communications platforms that also do this, for example Google, email, Verizon, etc.

So by your logic, a drug kingpin who doesn't actually handle the drug-selling transaction should not be liable for anything, even though the money rolls up to them?

Ross directly profited from the sale of those drugs. So, yes, he was "selling the drugs".


Google and Meta also profit from selling ads to the people who use it to trade drugs. All I'm saying is there's a rough equivalence. Perhaps the Silk Road platform should be banned but he was not a drug dealer himself. Creating a communications platform is not the same thing as being a drug dealer.

He created/operated a platform with the primary purpose of facilitating the sale of drugs. He profited from those transactions. That makes him a drug dealer.

Comparing Meta and Google to Silk Road is a bad faith argument. You might as well compare Silk Road to the phone network at that point.


There were many other items and services sold on Silk Road, it wasn’t just drugs.

According to wikipedia [1], 70% of the products sold on silk road were drugs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace). wikipedia uses as reference https://web.archive.org/web/20160407165324/http://gawker.com... and https://web.archive.org/web/20131012012106/http://www.thegua...

plus, at least ebay, amazon, big tech comply or at least sometimes comply with the law banning some products which can't be sold or advertised


I’m generally lasseiz-faire when it comes to most drugs, although I do think some drugs like opioids are rather objectively a cancer to society and anybody in that pipeline needs to be punished.

So. Comparisons to Google, Verizon, etc?

While his actions aren’t equivalent to a “direct” old-fashioned drug dealer selling fentanyl, they’re clearly also not equivalent to providers like Google or Verizon.

They provide truly general purpose communications networks. Common carriers. That’s different from a marketplace explicitly designed to facilitate a particular thing like selling drugs.

I mean, you can upload non-porn videos to PornHub, or attempt to met platonic knitting circle buddies on there. But let’s not sit around and pretend the entire operation isn’t designed around the explicit purpose of selling porn.


It wasn’t designed for just drugs. There were many different categories.

There was a category for drugs. And specific subcategories for different specific kinds of drugs.

Unlike, say, the phone network or your neighborhood street corner it was pretty unambiguously designed to sell drugs (and more)

Apart from any sort of judgement we might want to make, facts are facts and Silk Road was factually designed to sell drugs.

You don't get to participate in the discussion until you acknowledge basic reality.


Different categories, yes. But mostly drugs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gh5_2YgWoAABY-O?format=jpg&name=...


Biologically humans are just animals with more powerful brains. Why do some people think we alone have novel things such as free will?

This is what Christians teach. God made us in His image and put us on Earth so we can dominate it, including all living creatures. He gave us Free Will because He loves us, but will punish anyone who use it, because we should submit to Him. This more or less is what my Catholic school was teaching anyway.

Luckily god doesn’t exist so you can use your free will without being punished by anything :)

The reason is because of the anthropic principle. If it wasn't short range, we probably wouldn't exist and there would be no consciousness to observe it.

I have a small B2C app that requires no calls or interactions in general to get customers, just support afterwards. Currently have a few hundred subscriptions. It's not much but makes me pretty happy.

I'm glad you are having success, but B2C is wildly different than B2B. I can't think of any B2C company that could do calls with customers. The economics don't make sense. Instead they use large advertising buys to communicate, one way, with current and prospective customers

This is one reason I think B2C is good for solo devs despite people constantly criticizing it.

I disagree. B2C requires too much volume, both in terms of sales and support, because the price has to be so low imo.

You either have to find PMF or you're going to die.


If you learn how to do SEO you can get lots of free volume. You need PMF though. The support is only needed if your product doesn't work well or is hard to understand.

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