usbzcable's comments

On: Frameworkless Movement

[usbzcable]

See also https://eheikes.github.io/use-the-platform-talk/

On: Brits head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

[usbzcable]

> So many of them are genuinely surprised at what is happening.

So many?

[pumpkinhead → usbzcable]

Brexit in general. I have been following what looks like an absolute clusterfuck: From the exporters at the border who didn't know they had to have the right paperwork to the Northern Ireland protocol. It looks too awful to be true.

[usbzcable → pumpkinhead]

It's unfair to judge Brexit by a few aspects. It has to be evaluated holistically, and account for different value systems.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/in-highsight-do-you-th... tracks the UK's evolving view on whether Brexit was the correct decision.

On: Brits head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

[usbzcable]

> Every mediterranean country is littered with Brits, especially retirees / pensioners.

"Littered"? If you replace "Brits" with other groups, are you still happy with the tone of the sentence?

[padraic7a → usbzcable]

Littered isn't necessarily a pejorative term. You could litter a bed with rose petals, or find your path littered with gold coins.

It's not necessarily like saying 'trashed'.

[usbzcable → padraic7a]

I had forgotten the alternative definition. Thanks!

[kowlo → padraic7a]

Definitely, it isn't necessarily a pejorative term. In this case however, given the context, I believe it's used as such...

On: Brits head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

[usbzcable]

> Why you would live in the EU, vote for Brexit and then cry when leaving the EU to return 'home' is beyond me though.

They may have expected a right-to-residency that had different terms.

This article doesn't go into such details, however, so it'll be difficult to tell.

[kergonath → usbzcable]

They thought it would only happen to others, as usual... They were so deep in disinformation that they called “project fear” any attempt to explain them what the situation would actually be. Because of course, who in their right mind would avocate for leaving the EFTA? Surely, brits spend money locally, so why wouldn’t the local governments bend the rules whilst the British government gets all jingoistic about continental queue jumpers?

It’s all fun and games until the borders get closed.

In the end, real people from both sides of the referendum pay the price.

[klipt → usbzcable]

Or Spain has a history of leniency towards undocumented immigrants and they thought they'd get the same treatment.

If course the problem with breaking the law is it opens you up to selective enforcement if Spain decides it wants to thumb its nose at the Brits in particular.

On: Brits head home to avoid being deported as illegals in Spain

[usbzcable]

> Among expat Britons in Spain who voted for Brexit, was this a common attitude that they would be allowed to stay? Or were they told they would be allowed to keep residency rights?

https://ig.ft.com/sites/expats-on-brexit/ has some pre-referendum views of British emigrants. One says "I want practical facts. The Government and Brexit campaigners have been silent on what will happen to Britons abroad if we leave.".