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tomrod 5 days ago | link | parent | on: Ubuntu Mate

Elinks or links2 is quite servicable.

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It would be interesting to see Amazon revamp their warehouses to use these drones.

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I enjoyed it. New content, even.

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So slowly liquid.

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Me too. I remember being excited about seeing what Google's next big thing was. I lost hope when Reader was shut down.

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LoganCale 33 days ago | link

The Real Name policy was the beginning of the end for me, Reader being shut down made me lose interest in all new Google products, and Snowden made me stop using some of the ones I already had been.

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vidarh 33 days ago | link

The Real Name policy is noteworthy from starting out being fundamentally stupid at the "anyone who has spent a week online should know this" level, but still seemingly just a dumb mistake, to being downright malicious and evil the moment it was clear they had no intention of backtracking even after their attention had been brought to the risks it put some people in.

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I've been using G+ consistently for a week now after signing off from a competing social network. I thoroughly enjoy it so far. Why is G+ dead in the water?

EDIT: Fatfingered a random exclamation point

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lbotos 33 days ago | link

I think most people feel Google's incessant need to push it on every product leads to overexposure and this hate of G+. To further that, I closed my G+ account a few months ago due to inactivity. You'd better believe that the whole process made it sound like I was going to lose access to my email, my youtube account, etc. It wasn't a positive experience.

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Rapzid 33 days ago | link

They dropped the ball on nearly every major integration in some spectacular fashion, essentially. Be it forced integration, loosing anonymity, or botching up the g-talk's chat history.

The chat history bit me. They used to have a really nice chat history that integrated into the email seamlessly and had good export options. It even worked through IMAP. Unfortunately that all disappeared when they made g-talk hangouts. Essentially it was a duct-tape job like mentioned above. Apparently their storage back-end is quite different and they didn't put the work in to allow for easy retrieval and review of full chat histories. Unfortunately I needed a mass of chat histories(a year) for Visa purposes and the switch was about two thirds in. Retrieving the newer stuff became a part time job :|

Other than that I kinda like G+. I also like real identity movement. Eventually I believe that will be a big differentiator for swaths of the internet. The civil, real name sites. And the seedy, anonymous underbelly.

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TheLoneWolfling 33 days ago | link

Forced lack of anonymity and forced integration.

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saraid216 33 days ago | link

People say that G+ is dead in the water in order to create a tangential economic justification for their actual complaint.

Their actual complaint tends to be valid, whereas their claim about the prospects of G+ is generally bullshit.

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If I had this product implanted in me and it was known for a substantial amount of time that said product was 0dayed, you better believe I have a right to know.

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How is duckduckgo's search quality nowadays?

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mey 38 days ago | link

I've switched over to it for 90% of requests. The only thing I find really fails are very precise technical questions.

Edit: Let me rephrase, it's my default search engine. If the result isn't great, I may rerun it with !g which will then forward my request on to google. Makes it really easy to migrated while still being able to fall back when needed.

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dredmorbius 38 days ago | link

For technical questions, my first go-to is generally StackExchange (!so) or a site-specific search (w3.org is great for specific CSS spec queries which I seem to have been doing a lot lately) via DDG bang syntax. Google's my third choice.

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logn 38 days ago | link

I agree with this. For programming issues I normally use !g to search Google. I suspect Google is better for programming queries because they did a lot of indexing of newsgroups, blogs, and StackOverflow. But for everyday queries, DDG works fine (and I prefer it to Google as I don't usually want to see Google Reviews/Maps/Plus links in the top 50% of the screen area... and I don't need to see results for alternate queries on the bottom 50%).

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jlarocco 38 days ago | link

Agreed, but only for "real" questions.

Meaning, if I just need to RTFM, DDG finds it for me. If I search for "Pymongo find function" it will return the documentation I want. If I'm having a problem or debugging something not explained in the manual, there's a slight chance I'll have to use !g and use Google. If I search for "Pymongo find function not returning all results while sorting" I might need Google.

The number of searches where I've had to use Google has decreased significantly in the last year.

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gcb0 38 days ago | link

I have one default search engine on each computer/device... drives me crazy most of the time.

Yeah, google is still the best for SOME technical term. if it has too much symbols, yahoo/bing/duck are better.... but only so slightly.

the scary part is that even google still being the best, technical terms results are becoming awful everywhere.

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nfriedly 38 days ago | link

I'm in about the same boat as mey. It's my default search engine, and I rarely fall back to google.

On the occasion when I do see oddball results, I report them and it gets straightened out promptly. (It's kind of awesome to be able to report a spam site, get a human response, and have the site removed within a day or two. I'm sure it won't be that way forever, but their results also keep getting better and better.)

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mey 38 days ago | link

I did not know you could do that, how is reporting done?

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dredmorbius 38 days ago | link

Through the feedback link, you can report bad relevancy. It's buried a bit, I suspect on purpose.

https://duck.co/help/results/spam

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nfriedly 36 days ago | link

Yes, what dredmorbius said. There's also https://duckduckgo.com/feedback which lets you report/request all kinds of stuff. (It's listed as "Feedback" in the menu at the top-right of the results page.)

Initially it was just "send Gabriel an email", which he still graciously responds to, but I've been trying to do things the "right" way more recently because I'm sure he gets a lot of email :)

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dredmorbius 38 days ago | link

I've been using it exclusively as my primary search for a year now, and it's as good as or better than Google for nearly all purposes.

You can re-run any search on google with the "!g" bang notation (or "!sp" for a proxied StartPage search, which is nearly the same).

The recent UI changes have been nice (my biggest observation was that my local CSS changes no longer actually change anything about the site, which is to say, my annoyances have all been addressed).

The primary lacking features are date-bounded search (I still use Google for this), and certain specialized searches (e.g., Google Books, Google Scholar, Google News), though DDG have been expanding their tools, and I'm increasingly using site-specific searches (e.g., reddit, HN, StackExchange, and certain blogs) rather than general Web searches.

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jmgrosen 38 days ago | link

It's my default search engine... but I find myself going to Google for about 75% of searches -- at least for my searches, they just aren't good enough yet.

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sleepyhead 38 days ago | link

Love the bang keywords. Using !g less and less now, especially after the upgrade last week.

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Huh. And here I figured Finch was command-line pidgin. What happens when names collide in open source world?

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hyperair 53 days ago | link

Basically one of either outcomes happen: 1. Maintainers of both projects fight it out and one project gets renamed. Users are happy. Packagers are happy.

2. Maintainers of both projects fight it out and neither compromise. Users of both projects (intersection of the sets, rather than union) are pissed. Packagers are even more pissed, and put in an annoying and difficult situation, and forced to come out with weird hacky solutions to appease users. (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=614907)

To any of you who read this and find yourself naming a project in the future, do your users some justice and at least do some cursory Googling before settling on a name. And please don't pick annoying-to-Google names like + or * or - or _ or some other one- or two-character name.

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tomrod 60 days ago | link | parent | on: Mkdown

JS is much like salt for flavoring--the less required the better.

If everything worked in elinks we'd live in a perfect world.

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reeses 60 days ago | link

Elinks, while shamefully neglected by most of us, does expose an interface for ecmascript. http://www.elinks.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/...

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