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Do you use Grok multiple times per day? Is Grok solving Erdos problems?

> Do you use Grok multiple times per day?

No body who has a choice is using Grok

> Is Grok solving Erdos problems?

Mēh! At a slower rate than models a fraction of the price


> No body who has a choice is using Grok

The Grok app had over 100 million downloads in 2025, over 60 million active users, and generated $350 million in revenue. That’s a lot of people being forced to use it.


Grok revenue is like 100x smaller than xai estimated capex? Doesn't look great.

Still more than I expected based on anecdotal experience

Why would they sell it for less when they could sell it for more?

We’re witnessing “American exceptionalism” transform from a brash claim to a whiny demand in real time.


> I think you won’t get [cathedral],..

> even if you do get [cathedral], [bazar] will run circles around you…


Ahhh I like that

It's nested and recursive cathedrals and bazaars, all the way down. And perhaps the bazaar has finally arrived inside the favourite cathedral of most everyone here

EDIT: out of curiosity, does anyone have any good examples of biomes/ecosystems that are so far toward cathedrals? Or is that a uniquely human invention/extreme at the ecosystem scale?


First thing that comes to mind is beehives and anthills. Highly ordered societies where each insect has a role to perform. Don't know how well you think that fits the "cathedral" model, but I'd say it's pretty close.

Beavers reshaping the landscape also comes close, but that's individual beavers acting more or less on their own, not a rigidly structured society like ants and bees, so perhaps the beavers are closer to the bazaar analogy than the cathedral.


Because it’s hooked up to a microphone in your kitchen & your kid is arguing with you about what lunch they want & they say “Hey [agent], what day is pizza day at [school]?”


I’m not doing that. That would be like giving my child shell access to my system.


We aren’t even mining asteroids near Earth’s orbit. Space colonization is a ketamine dream. There’s no extraterrestrial economy. Earth is all we have. One pie.


A pie that includes sand which is now turned into GPUs that can solve complex problems described in English. Value that was unlocked fairly recently from “one pie”.


Tell me, is the deployment of that famous talking sand at all resource-constrained?


Of course: Everything is resource-constrained. That’s why it’s called economics.

The question was whether the “pie”—total economic output—has a meaningful upper bound on growth because we only have a whole planet full of resources to exploit as our minds and capabilities allow.

The answer is no, and history bears that out.


Because we are spending our resources on stupid shit like tiktok virals funded by ads.


In a phrase: Worse Is Better


My concern with something like this is content marketing or other forms of surreptitious advertising.

Will you clearly indicate “boosted” authors/publishers/pieces?


We don’t boost any authors/publishers/pieces. We don’t have any specific plan to monetize right now, but many AI-based products seem to work well as paid subscriptions vs using an advertising model.


>> We don’t have any specific plan to monetize right now

YC has changed. It's like we're back in the late 90's!


> Corporations and governments are made of actual people.

Hand-waving away the complex incentives these superhuman structures follow & impose.


Yeah, it's on codeberg https://codeberg.org/uzu/strudel


Glad we agree that the “builder” without craft is just looking for the nearest exit.


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