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The money spent goes to people, that give it to other people. They didn't just burn it.

“People” in this case being Altman and co.

You'd think they would do this before taking off..

Perhaps it was turned on by being jostled during take off.

You could ask AI and get pretty far reading the answer.

I know. But this is a forum filled with technical professionals and I would like to get actual opinions from actual humans.

AI is cool but it's not going to have all the good and bad experiences that humans have had with different motherboards.


Actually that's the best part of AI. It has access to experience with way more than the select sample size here.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is here; me asking for humans to give an opinion does not preclude me from also asking AI.

I was just making a correction based on what you said.

"AI is cool but it's not going to have all the good and bad experiences that humans have had with different motherboards."

AI will have more access to experiences than you'll find here.


It actually won't have "had" any experiences though. Yes, it can aggregate stuff from blog posts and reviews and marketing material. That's hardly the same thing.

It goes far beyond blogs and marketing posts, but sure. Keep asking forums generic easy questions instead of AI. That way you can get one barely helpful reply, when AI could give you more details about the subject than you'd have time to read or ability to memorize.

I feel like you're trying to paint me as some Luddite, like I'm against using AI, or that I don't know about it. I know how to use AI just fine. I use Claude all the time. I'm not opposed to asking it, and in fact I had even before you made your glorified "Let me Google That For You" comment.

I just thought I might get an interesting or unique perspective someone here.


Ok look I'm sorry I've been harping on you for probably no good reason. It's honestly just my way of evangelizing the concept of solving your problems with AI, because honestly I see that 95% of problems my friends and I have are easily solvable by AI but we just aren't used to using it for everything.

Either I don't understand the used apple market.. or I agree this is crazy. Someone spends $25k on new hardware, waits a year, and expects to sell it for $23k? Unless the ram issues save him, and cost of new goes up, I don't see how that was going to work.

Well, Apple is literally not offering the M3 512GB studios currently. You can’t even back order one.

They are selling on EBay for over $20k, used.


It’s hard to know if any of these eBay listing are real or actual sales. Lots of scams.

The ones sold for $25k from established sellers are legit. Filter by "sold."

The 0-reputation account in Spain selling an M3U 512GB for $4200 is 100% fraud.


oh young grasshopper, I see you dont know that money launderers love the ebay hype cycle. Its REALLY common on high dollar hot items to have phantom transactions where parties are on both sides of the transaction to clean illicit money. The high price tag and high volume amount of transactions hides the illicit signal. I have tried to buy a few of these mac studios only to have the transaction cancelled because I wasnt the dirty money on the other side.

Funny, they have the "honesty" to cancel the transaction and not take your money, just to keep their ebay reputation high ?

eBay and PayPal almost always side with the buyer.

The transaction was cancelled? Sounds like you weren't defrauded.

GP didn’t say they were defrauded. They said the listing was a cover for laundering money.

"weren't scammed" might have been a better choice of words, which they said one post up.

I said there are lots of scam listings. And then discussed a second issue which is fake listings that are designed to launder money. There are both. Some of the fake listings are obvious: way under priced, listings for “original boxes” not the actual computer. So that’s why I don’t want to buy off of eBay for this category. But I did also buy what appeared to be a reasonable listing and it was canceled. I can’t prove why but two sided money laundering is a known thing

Ah, I see what you mean now.

Bizarre. They don't care that eBay takes 14%?

14% seems like a pretty low fee to clean drug money, if we're being honest

Traditional money laundering loses upwards of 40%, so hell yeah.

What am I going to do with 40 subscriptions to Vibe?

You could almost sell a RTX 3090 for more today than what it cost brand new when it came out six years ago

It's still very contrarian to expect GPUs won't depreciate rapidly. Yes 3090s were a good investment then, but way worse than just buying Nvidia stock directly

How did we go from "I expect to lose only 1000-2000 if I try to sell my used equipment" to "you should have just bought NVDA to get a better return." The point wasn't the better return, the point is that I wouldn't lose all my initial investment if i decided I wanted to sell it.

And the fact of the matter is that in 2026, all electronics has gone up, not down, and sought-after GPUs have gone up in price in the used market.


Waiting for them to come down any day now. Been waiting since 2017.

First it was crypto, now AI. Just because the market can stay irrational for very long doesn't mean crashes don't happen. What nobody knows is when.

at some point you have to accept that the market is actually rational

Yup, just like crypto and tulips were rational behaviors for the global economy. Or investing 5% of world GDP in half-baked AI is.

wanting to get rich quick is completely rational if you ask me ;)

Only if they do get rich, if they lose money, it's stupid. Technically stupidity is also rational? The bottom of rationality? :-))

This is the case in lots of markets, e.g. look at used cars, luxury goods and more. Some of it is driven by inflation/the rapid devaluation of the dollar. General and AI-adjacent compute in particular hasn't come down in price in a long while.

A lot of expensive things hold their value well. I have a friend who is really into telescopes and he now owns a $100,000 telescope but he didn't directly buy such an expensive scope. He started out with much cheaper ones and was able to sell them for about what he bought them for to help fund more expensive ones over 20 years. It is really interesting.

Thank god. I’ve been waiting to have a reason to tell someone I collect fountain pens.

Computers depreciate because they are obviously being supplanted by newer better models—until they become vintage and then move into collectibles.


Apple products have had relatively high resale for a while. Only losing 8% in a year is probably extra unusual, and 1-year-old wasn't really ever the sweet spot, but a "sell used privately after a few years, roll onto the new one" has been a relatively common play.

Doing this particular one is definitely expecting the market squeeze to continue. "Worst case" is back to more "normal" depreciation. Where I'd expect to only be able to recoup more like 18k. But... if you look at GPU prices the last 3 years... it's not a crazy assumption that it won't drop that fast.

iPhone example since those are easiest to find in quantity: new iPhone 16 Pro Max for $1200, Gazelle would want $866 for "execllent" condition. Lost ~28% for one-model-back. iPhone 15 Pro Max, though: excellent priced at $667 here, only down another 23%, and gives you basically half-priced-upgrade if you can sell it for that and roll into the newest.

So to have never-more-than-one-model-old rough estimate at today's value-holding you'd be out $3600 for three new phones, with getting 1732 of that back, or 1868 for it (with a $334-per-year incremental cost of upgrade).

For never-more-than-two-models-back you'd be out $2400, getting back $866, for net $1534 spend, with a $167 incremental per-year upgrade cost once you buy the first one. Pretty good if you keep the phone in excellent condition and are happy to budget a bit over $10/month to be on a every-two-year upgrade train.

Well, you'd also eat the tax...

https://buy.gazelle.com/products/iphone-16-pro-max-256gb-unl...

https://buy.gazelle.com/products/iphone-15-pro-max-256gb-unl...


What you describe is something people with enough to make the first purchase and eat the cost when it breaks have been doing for years e.g. with cars. People on the lower end of money scale tend to use products for well over their economic lifetime saving way more and buying a cheap replacement if it breaks. Notable exception as stated being phones for some reason as it likely is a status symbol for more people in a [insert preferred external sexual characteristic] measuring contest.

> "Worst case" is back to more "normal" depreciation.

I would absolutely not count on that, if and when it drops it will drop hard.


Memory bandwidth or storage bandwidth?

potato potatoh

I run an entire saas that 36 companies pay for, built in PHP, and I drag and drop the files to the server via cpanel.


It was never meant for construction workers. It was meant for the owners of small construction companies. I used to work for a swimming pool contractor. He didn't own a shovel. He made $600k a year. So did his plumber best friend. And his buddy that did concrete work. I actually also worked on their small time NASCAR team, since they had so much money to burn. The cyber truck is perfect for them.


A NASCAR franchise team license is $30 million, and the annual operating cost is $10 million or more (emphasis on the "or more"). If your buddies have a NASCAR team their money didn't come from their day jobs, and the CT is definitely the right truck for people born with silver spoons.


NASCAR has many levels........


I race cars, I have never seen one at the track, they’re a toy.

But you’re exactly right. They’re for the polished shoes folks, not the steel toes


If you really race cars, you'd know that most people show up in their hauler vehicle, not their work daily driver. Also, I said blue collar type business owners. They do circle track and off-road. Not road courses like tech people. A bit weird blind spot from a guy that 'races' cars.


Come on be honest.. it's like 10% of what it was in the past.


The same one that I make when I stand somewhere and describe what I see. So I hold a camera to do it more accurately. And then I get tired so I mount the camera on a trip setup instead.


I'm still not hearing any speech from the camera doing the recording. Can you tell me specifically, how recording with a camera is speech?


ACLU of IL v. Alvarez (2012): "The act of making an audio or audiovisual recording is necessarily included within the First Amendment’s guarantee of speech and press rights as a corollary of the right to disseminate the resulting recording."


My recording of police interactions is free speech, for example.

My recording my property is free speech.

My taking a camera into public spaces and recording is free speech.


What is your definition of speech? It seems like you are defining it literally.


this is reminding me of the dearly departed website and news outlet Photography Is Not a Crime. Carlos Miller a name worth remembering.


This is what the people voted for. To be honest, they voted for more but trump chickened out with ICE.


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