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If you’re reading this, please don’t submit your coworkers to __post_init__ just write normal code, nobody cares is you have some sort of crazy justification, nobody extending that shit.


It's basically there because of dataclasses, we use it all the time.

Python painted itself into a corner when they came up with a clever way to auto generate __init__ implementations but then also sometimes you need to modify the auto generated implementation. I kind of like their solution relative to alternatives I've seen... C++ is the worst offender to my mind in this case, because it has extremely complicated auto generation rules and the moment you want to do something special, you are now writing two dozen lines of code to make up for the fact that you got in the way of the auto-gen logic.


Well I’m a Tesla employee and I started looking for a new job today. There’s a lot of smart people who see where this is going.


Robot taxis not coming soon enough?


I was under the impression (admittedly from an article I read a couple of years ago) that the consensus within the company was pretty much always that robo-taxis were one man’s pipe dream.

Weren’t there also disclosure documents a couple of years ago when they were trying to license autopilot that said they believed internally they were at level 2 as opposed to 4/5? (I might be remembering this part wrong)


> I was under the impression (admittedly from an article I read a couple of years ago) that the consensus within the company was pretty much always that robo-taxis were one man’s pipe dream.

If robo-taxis were ready with the kind of economics outlined by Musk it would be financially irresponsible to actually sell the cars to others instead of just building a massive Tesla fleet and pivoting towards transportation services.

Tesla's still selling their cars? If so, then they're not robo-taxis.

Edit: The other option for Tesla would be selling the cars for a high enough premium to offset the lost taxi revenue. The fact that Tesla seems to be in a price war with other EV makers is not a promising sign for robo-taxis.


Everyone knows they’re at level 2. Level 4/5 is completely hands off, no supervision.

Not even their Supervised Full Self Driving does that


Do I taxis certainly aren’t just one man’s dream. Whether not not they are possible in the next 50 years is another matter, but plenty of people want them and are willing to invest in developing them.


They’re here. Just not from Tesla.


What happened?


I’m going to assume that awful Q1 results lead employees to suspect layoffs are on the way. I imagine they are correct.


They should just do an offering. That stock has held it's stupidly massive over valuation for 5+ years now. Just dump it on whatever dumb ass investors have been propping the stock up.


Have you looked at Tesla stock recently? The stock is down 5% today to 166. It was 250 at beginning of year, so dropped 30%. The peak was 400 in 2021, and dropped to 113 in 2023.

I think it is still overpriced and can drop further, but it has lost its shine. They will make less money from offering, and it would probably tank the stock. And there is no sign they need the money.


The company is currently valued at $530 billion.

Compare this to Toyota, who sold 11 million cars last year (~20x Tesla), is worth $385 billion.

It is still grossly over valued.


Tesla sold 1.8 million cars last year and Toyota sold 11.23 million cars last year. so a 6.2x multiple, not a ~20x multiple


Maybe not layoffs - maybe more the fact that their stock compensation will plummet in value as it is no longer a hyper growth stock. Also, the consequences of Elon’s misbehaviour has finally caught up with the branding so it is no longer cool to work there.


Again to Musk's reputation: he's not exactly layoff-averse. Even if it isn't strictly required I can't imagine he'd hesitate to pull the trigger.


probably in response to the content of the article.


"Lot of smart people who see where this is going"...uh huh.

The smart people left years ago and started working at Lucid and elsewhere. All the people who had talent got sick of Musk's shit, saw the company stagnating, and left for functional, non-toxic workplaces.

Tesla has spent the last ~5 years resting on its laurels, aside from (eventually) producing a pavement-queen meme vehicle that breaks down on even the simplest off-roading tests and gets stuck on beaches. Oh, and slightly tweaking the Model 3's looks, I guess that's...something.

Your cars have completely stagnant styling, terrible reliability (matched with even worse parts availability!), the worst interiors in their class, the worst build quality, and they're no longer kings in anything - not efficiency, range, performance, or charging speed.

Your company was at the forefront of removing physical switches and moving to screen-based and capacitive-touch controls, both reviled by the public and coming under increasing scrutiny by regulators.

Your cars have the highest crash rate of any automaker.

Tesla's "autopilot" has been surpassed by several manufacturers whose systems don't randomly slam on the brakes (or, for that matter, into the backs of police cruisers.)

Here's a 2008 blog post about V2G: https://www.tesla.com/blog/smarter-charging ...and sixteen years later your cars still can't do it. Hyundais and Kias can...

Your cars are still stuck on 400V (sorry, "480") architecture while years ago other companies went to 800v. VW/Audi/Porsche, Hyundai/Kia, GM, and Lucid are all on 800v. And while "V4" stations have been deployed, they're all still 400v 'under the hood'. 800v CCS has been slow to roll out, but it's actually been

If you're all so smart, why are your cars on fire sale and still selling like dogshit?


    If you're all so smart, why are your cars on fire sale and still 
    selling like dogshit?
I feel that there's a large mismatch between the parent post and your reply? It feels like you both think that Tesla's facing some major problems and is not on a good trajectory?


All those smart people really turned Lucid into a hypergrowth company.


> terrible reliability (matched with even worse parts availability!)

What I love as a "defense" from Tesla fans is when they comment that "they're not the worst for reliability, in fact they're middle to above average"...

... when compared with ICEs which are far more complex. "EVs are far simpler than ICEs, and there's far less that can go wrong with them"... if so, being in the middle of the pack with a bunch of ICEs isn't the flex it seems.


And millions in bots and fake reviews.


it wasn't needed in our case. Selling B2B didn't require online reviews of our product.


That explains why working for Google seems so common. Hmm interesting, that explains a lot about why former Google developers are shit employees.


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