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Yeah, but the stock might take a massive hit if this were seriously pursued, and it might even have further consequences in the markets. Let's keep our priorities straight.

I can only hope you're being sarcastic, because it does seem to hit close to what's actually happening

Federal troops assassinating kneeling protesters is still not within the Overton window though.

> I’m too old to learn XYZ skill if I get laid off, it will be life changing, and for what?

If you're not already retirement aged, how is age stopping you from learning a new skill? This sounds like learned ageism.


Generally from a financial planning standpoint 35-50 is typically the "grinding years" where mortgage, family, and other life commitments means that typically your career investment needs to pay off to make it through. In some ways it is the "danger zone" financially. Hard to change careers (not young enough), but not yet worked enough to retire with large expenses coming in. This isn't unique to software engineers either -> this is most people in most jobs.

There are also mixed people on these forums in different regions, countries, work experiences, etc. For example software in most places in the world had an above average salary but not extremely high (i.e. many other white collar professions would pay similar/more). For those people where it is a standard skilled role it probably hits even harder now than say the ones with lots of stock who can retire early and enjoy the new toy that is AI.


It was said in the context of having bills to pay. Meaning that he is in deep and needs a high-priced developer salary to make ends meet.

Virtually all other careers that offer similar compensation have an old boys club gatekeeping the profession, requiring you submit many years and hundreds of thousands of dollars before they will consider letting you in. That might pencil out as a reasonable investment when you are 14, but once you are mid-career you'll never get back what you put into it.

Learning XYZ skill is something you can do at any age, and doing so will even get you an average paying job with ease. Learning the XYZ skill in the way that keeps the old boys happy is not a realistic option for someone who considers themselves old.


Sounds like OP is happy to be alive at this moment, reveling in the wonder of it all, and wanting to share.


I think we'd need a lot more suffering before we have enough people to start that kind of action. If we see 35% unemployment over the next 5 years with insufficient time to adjust, then maybe the pitchforks come out.


So then we should just go slightly slower?

What if it’s over 10 years?


Well, time is one aspect but we'd also need motivation and proper execution for a reasonable chance at successful adaptation. My guess is we'll coast along the boundary. I don't imagine things will move so fast as to cause the sort of general upheaval that I think you're talking about. But I do think things will move fast enough to cause significant harm on a larger scale than we've seen recently in the West.


Yeah, I agree that’s the most likely future.


Just look at TSLA and you might temper your expectations of a rational market.


> you might temper your expectations of a rational market

TSLA is like a snowball down a hill. It morphs from EV to autonomous driving to AI to robots to space to tera fab to space datacenters. Rolling in the next big narrative or gov handout as it speeds down the hill.


Police shoot and kill American citizens all the time.

Obama authorized the bombing of American citizens.

Those who are authorized to commit violence tend to do so. That in itself is not really saying much.


I don’t understand why you’re bringing up Obama. Nobody is defending him, and I think you might be inferring some sort of tribalistic defensiveness without any evidence. I see that sort of thing a lot, and I’ve never understood it.

Please correct me if I misunderstood the point you were trying to make.


The point I'm trying to make is that highly respected and even lauded individuals kill American citizens and people aren't generally afraid of them, so the fact that "they've shot and killed american citizens" on its own doesn't explain any fear. But I had misread the original question so my point was not quite relevant because the question was stated with justified fear already implied.


> My genuine trouble with this kind of post is that I don’t know if it is true.

Same thought I had. I mean, it sounds pretty bad but it's also making no attempt at all to report an unbiased view. I'd like to hear from officials. What are their goals, and why are they doing it this way? I don't think the majority of Trump voters wanted this kind of harm and chaos.


What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city? You have no idea what it's like here right now.


> You have no idea what it's like here right now.

I don't have any idea and I'm not trying to defend or justify.

> What is the unbiased view of a federal agency geared up for war kidnapping and terrorizing people in the streets of American city?

That's exactly what I'd like to know. The report didn't provide one. That's my point. Which is fine, they didn't intent to, they were just telling their truth. But those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people, and while reading the report I was curious about what they might have to say about their actions.


Here is an agent arresting a US citizen, for the expressed reason of having an accent. What is the perspective and motivation here?

https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3mcnjw...


> I'm not trying to defend or justify

Yes you are, when you say things like this:

> those ICE agents have a perspective, they have motivations, they're people

They are racist, fascist thugs, it's that simple. They want to terrorize immigrants and brown people. There is no need to overthink this. They are racially profiling people every day, and arresting citizens because they are minorities. They shot a mother in the head and now they are telling the rest of us "didn't you learn your lesson?", alluding to that murder. They tear-gassed a family of 6 trying to get home the other day, including a 6 month old baby that lost consciousness. The family had nothing to do with anything, they were simply trying to get home in an area ICE was attacking.

What "perspective" could possibly change anything about this shameful behavior?


Mass deportations was his signature campaign promise. It's exactly what they voted for.


They knowingly voted for a racist, a rapist, a felon ...

A man who as president sent a mob to assassinate the vice-president of the United States and members of Congress, because that VPOTUS, Mike Pence, refused Trump's illegal order to overturn an election both of them had lost.

Trump voters understood.


Stephen Miller has been extremely public about what they are doing. If you are waiting to hear from officials it is because you are closing your ears.


I'm just talking about one report. I'm not waiting to hear from anyone. I just passively consume what happens to come my way, and this is the first report about this situation that I saw on HN and took time to read.


Please educate yourself. The message is not hidden like some cryptic puzzle. Read, read, read. And from more than just one news source. Many. Recognize the bias.


Then why aren’t they speaking out against it?


That's well established human behaviour. People don't necessarily speak out against something just because they think it's wrong.


Is it? I see a lot of democrats speaking out, but few republicans. What do you think makes the difference?


> I don't think the majority of Trump voters wanted this kind of harm and chaos.

Sorry to be vulgar, but it’s about fucking time they find the fucking courage to speak up.

I am angry at the conservative people in my life, first and second connections and beyond, not because they fell for 8 years of increasingly fascist propaganda, but because now they’re too weak and scared and cowardly to stand up and recognize that they were wrong and they’ve ushered in some of the darkest days in American history.

The American right continues to be complicit. I am losing respect daily while I watch my conservative friends not speak out. It’s heartbreaking.


Then your friends are not conservative, just right-wing.


Since when does he need to worry about incarceration? He's already been found guilty on 34 felony counts and nothing happened.


Without a plea bargain, he would have to worry about incarceration as soon as he stepped down, is my point.


> If you can pay your own way, but choose to instead let others pay for you, you're just sponging off people.

I was particularly perturbed at the mention of someone emptying their bank account to help this guy, who has more money than the person emptying their account. I'm no ethics expert, but there is an idea that the unbounded acceptance of generosity becomes a form of exploitation, which I agree with.


I thought the eaay was creepy but that section just gave me the heebie-jeebies. "Sympathy vampire" is the term that came to my mind unbidden. It reads like an essay by someone aromantic describing love purely in terms of going to restaurants to eat exquisite food, and the mutual benefits of filing taxes jointly.


indeed the author sounds like an alien visiting a human zoo


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