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Can ICE agents be prosecuted three years later if the party in Federal power changes?



This feels like from the Onion but it is real. So much for small government from these guys.


As near as I can tell, nobody is actually in favor of small government nor have they ever been. People just disagree about where the government should be big.


Small gov for me I guess.


Those are properly recorded as to who paid, correct?


How is this not straight up bribing?


How is this allowed?


Supreme court decided Trump is above the law.


The American people allow it. They don't do anything about it. They could, but they don't.


What options does the average American person have to stand up against this specifically?


The same options the average citizen of any country has - protest followed by rebellion. America was founded by rebelling against the tyranny of unfair taxes.

Until Americans understand that this isn't going to end without violence (or a very real threat of violence, meaning people actually show up prepared to fight), they will continue to be increasingly oppressed. You may disagree with violence, but the oppressors see that as convenient.


If your opponent knows all you will do is use words, they have nothing to fear. MAGA was all about the 2nd Amendment and shows of personal force (running busses off the road, boat parades, going armed into state houses, etc) and got all the pacifist Dems cowed.


Oh man. Do you mean like carrying mass protests to the Washington Mall? Organizing non-violent protests around the blocks of Federal buildings?

I guess we're all just helpless bystanders, vote and pray. No organzing resistance anymore like in the 1700s, 1800s or 1900s.


> Do you mean like...

I don't "mean" anything, since I asked a question. If you're trying to communicate that our options are things like "mass protests", why communicate it in such a condescending manner?


We can hear things in our minds in many ways. Your question was open to interpretation in two distinct ways: 1: Enumerate some ways, please. 2: I think not, why do you think so?

I interpreted as #2. You, however, might disagree that these are actually options for any number of reasons. Perhaps you do? There are other stronger ones, of course. As an intelligent human, living within some national political framework, I'm sure you can think of others. Since your question hinted you thought there were none at all, "do you mean like" is testing whether these fit your definition.


It’s not but the GoP congress are just a bunch of Trump hangers on.


Very simple: there is no one to say "nope".


What do you think about this efficiency, cost cutting and deregulation push


People seem to get caught up in the political end of this issue but the fact is the US is spending 1.7T a year MORE than its tax base supports. This MUST stop and if this is how it happens, then I guess this is what it took to make the change. Stop wasting money on silly things and "services" the government has no rational business in (states have their own governments mind you) and THEN come talk to me about a tax increase to make up any necessary shortfalls.


This is at best wishful thinking when 2/3 of the federal budget are medicare/ss/military. What exactly will get cut?

The efficiency cuts they are talking about will barely make a dent while making services worse for everyone. Good luck next time a disaster area needs FEMA assistance.

And not unlike a business when you have a deficit you have two options: cut cost and increase revenues, this incoming government will very likely decrease revenues through tax cuts, making the deficit even worse.


Absolutely correct regarding medicare/ss/military. Its an issue. What will get cut? Enough things that we can start to have a real conversation about how much "government" we're all willing to pay for.

"What exactly will get cut?" - Make you a deal - set a timer and do 10 minutes of research on the subject and come back to report you found NOTHING that could be reasonably and easily cut?

EDIT - so far I haven't heard anyone claim we're going to balance the budget via this mechanism. The goal is to CUT WASTE and IMPROVE EFFICIENCY. I see this as a basis for having a real conversation about taxation personally.


I imagine nearly every single American thinks there is waste in government spending, but it is going to be difficult to find cuts that 60% of the population agrees with, especially in an amount that makes more than a tiny dent in the budget. One thing is for sure, Elon, an unelected individual from another country, who also happens to be the richest man in the world (in history?), is likely to make cuts which advantage him, not the average American. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been paying attention.

It really feels like we're nearing the inevitable outcome from Citizens United, a country ran by billionaires, to the exclusive benefit of billionaires.


Musk claimed he could cut 2 Trillion by getting rid of "waste".


Maybe Elon has heard stories about socialist single-payer healthcare systems that deliver good results at half of American prices and wants to copy them in extenso?


Sure buddy. Nothing suspicious at all about the man who became a billionaire thanks to government spending go in and rip it all apart after the fact.


I think it's about further shifting power away from the people and into the hands of corporations.


I think its chances are effectively summed up by the fact that they decided to appoint two co-chairs to it.

(who are promising to personally review CVs https://x.com/DOGE/status/1857076831104434289 for its unpaid positions https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1857112441529700671)

(and claiming "decisively elected Donald Trump with a mandate for sweeping change" when it was 74M to 76M votes is a bit silly)


Everyone claims they received a decisive mandate, because a mandate is in the minds of people. If they think you have a mandate, then you do. So after every election, the winner claims to have a mandate, because they keep hoping that everyone else will act like they do, and therefore that they will.

Objectively, of course, you're right.


Some politicians actually talk about what they're going to do in some detail before election and then have some validity in claiming a mandate for those things after winning.

Others talk utter BS, make a million conflicting promises, loudly deny stuff that they fully intend to do etc. Those people do not have a valid claim at a mandate.


I just learned from Duolingo that the French word for "term of office" is "mandat".

I started a whole unit on words about elections about two weeks ago. It was a pretty damn upsetting two weeks. I really wish Duo gave me the ability to skip a section and come back to it later.


Why is this "co-chair" thing such a gotcha? How is this different from having two founders?


Well, it's having two people where one would do. On a committee that is about efficiency and removing waste.

Then there's the "unpaid volunteers" thing. You don't get the best and brightest that way; the best and brightest already have things to do with their time. The state of civic involvement these days means that the best and brightest are not just going to drop what they're doing in order to serve their country for no money. Instead, you're going to get two kinds of people: 1) ideological warriors, and 2) people who can bend things in directions that will make them money. That's not going to produce good results.


When has two co-equal bosses ever made things more efficient?

If you had two people as SecDef Musk would use that as a perfect example of inefficiency.

> How is this different from having two founders?

One typically functions as CEO.


As far as I can tell this group won't have any actual power, so why not?


Thank you. I appreciate the detailed response.


These type of actions will only lead to an outcome that will be extreme.

Eventually, it will lead to a genocide. Once it is all done, there will be a large body of research into how this happened. The primary purpose of it will be to feel good and pat ourselves on the back with how civilized we are.

Then we in the West will move on and try to find another group that we will like to hate.

The more things change, the more they remain the same.


What are the second and third level ramifications of ignoring that promise on our part?

If the current world order is reconfigured, America has the most to lose.

I know that no world order is forever, the US has a vested interest in the stability of the current world order and keep it as long as possible.


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