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Human Resources should really be named Employer Resources as it exists to protect the company from liability for their employees.

I dunno, it kind of accurately reflects the view that in capitalist firms employees are resources, e.g. to be exploited.

I'd vote for the old terminology: Personnel Department.


> I dunno, it kind of accurately reflects the view that in capitalist firms employees are resources, e.g. to be exploited.

Not that accurate, in my view: a resource is something that's a positive thing to be exploited.

"Human resources" in most companies are not there primarily to exploit the employee to their full potential/productivity/burnout level. They're there to protect the company from the employees!


That’s true but also a bit reductionist. And even in that regard, what they federally do is assist managers. So, for example, if a manager has an underperforming team member HR will ensure that manager follows process in applying performance management so that the manager follows process and doesn’t expose the company to liability.

Beyond this they’re also often key players in recruitment marketing, employer branding, hiring and selection, understanding the broader employment market to ensure pay and benefits are inline with desired industry norms, health and wellbeing, and the list goes on.

None of this is ever perfect and, of course, we can all think of companies where it’s been highly dysfunctional.

But, nonetheless, claiming all they do is protect the company from employees is still too reductive.


I agree with your entire response except this:

> But, nonetheless, claiming all they do is protect the company from employees is still too reductive.

I didn't claim that that is all they do; I'm claiming that that is their primary purpose.


I am a resource for my kids, my spouse, and the rest of my friends and family. I am also a resource to my employer and other customers.

In any organization, a resource can vary from things such as land, chemicals, machines, humans, books, etc.

The term Human Resources seems accurate to a refer to a group of people that deal with the humans in the organization.

I do not see why “resources” is seen as having a negative connotation in this context. Of course, just like a family can mistreat a resourceful family member, so can any organization mistreat a human resource.


Is this supposed to be witty or something?

Employees are human resources.


Never forget that “human” is an adjective in that phrase, rather than a noun.

I literally don't understand how it could be a noun.

“Human” is almost always a noun, but isn’t here.

The point of that quip is that Human Resources does not focus on the humans as nouns, meaning as humans.


I guess I never saw it that way and struggle to think of example usage as a noun.

Human technology, human race, human rights, human error, human nature, human history, human power. Always an adjective.

I still cant think of a common noun usage, let alone an alternative noun reading for human resources. People don't say "hello human".

It is weird to see comments talking about "HR" as some euphemism or double speak. Maybe I'm the outlier, but I don't understand any other meaning besides managing the resource that is humans.

That covers lots of things- managing the liability, procurement, retention, firing, of the workforce.

Do people really think "HR" is the resource?


AI isn’t human, and the work done by them might be taxed as employment in the future

When you read the words “Human Resources” in the most literal sense you kind of wonder why we ever expected anything rose from the department

A con almost on par with the term “global warming” and “climate change.”


I'll bite. What's wrong with the terms "global warming" and "climate change"?

In law we shouldn't be focused on ignorance and cluelessness. The outcome of what they have allowed is the crime. All the DOGE dudes need life without parole.

idk the law differentiates between "attempted but failed murder" / "accidental murder" / "successful(?) murder"

...maybe your "law" is some ancient eye-for-eye kind of law instead of some modern stuff?


Do you actually believe that? Do you not think that at least SOME OF THEM, are working their asses off to save american tax payer dollars?

Can you point to any of the contracts in the wall of savings that have saved billions of dollars and disagree with any of them? https://doge.gov/savings


Did you look through that page before posting it? Currently, the default list of biggest savings is topped by things like eliminating a refugee intake facility, various HHS programs making sure public housing meets basic standards of habitability, and eradicating polio.

Is the argument that government was so efficient before that eliminating these seemingly useful programs was the best and only way to save taxpayer dollars?


I guess we just disagree on what's important. $2.9B for 3,000 children. That's 967K per child. What in the actual fuck? https://www.fpds.gov/common/jsp/LaunchWebPage.jsp?command=ex...

Edit: the contract was 3.3B, so that changes the calculus to 1,109,966.78 per child. Haven't seen the facility, but i highly doubt they are staying in million dollar condos, but if they are... there are better ways to do that.

$1,136,436,294.65 for paying their legal services... Why are we paying a billion dollars for legal services of a program we have discontinued?

1,021,000,000 to eradicate polio... Of which that last case in the united states was in 2022... Polio is all but irradicated here in the united states.

We just seem to disagree with what's important and what's wasteful. You could build a brand new city for those amounts in the private sector.


> there are better ways to do that.

That's the crux, for sure. The problem with DOGE though is that instead of creating better ways of doing anything, they just seem to eliminate doing those things at all.

Now we not only don't have a better way of doing a thing that might have been necessary, but we don't even have the sub-optimal way of doing that thing, so now it's not getting done at all.

Edit: Bringing it back to the article, if a person with access to 'a "core financial management system" belonging to the Federal Emergency Management Agency' was foolish enough to let their system get hacked, are we really finding a better way to do things, or are we being a little too careless?


It's 2.9B for a facility that can accommodate up to 3000 children simultaneously, as well as the support services to run it and provide the medical care and social workers needed to take care of them. It's not $3B for a specific 3000 children somewhere, so it's nonsense to try counting the cost per child that way.

regardless of the KPI perspective, do you agree that $3.3B is a bit much for a facility that can only host up the 3k?

For reference, look up some of the Giga factory costs (With Capital expenditure for production). They are similiar in expenditures.


I haven't looked at the contract in detail, but no, $3B over 5 years for 3000 people including construction costs sounds reasonably in line with prison costs (the closest comparison). Certainly not the order of magnitude too high like you're suggesting, which surely someone would have undercut on the bid if it were easy.

You can look at the bid requirements yourself and determine whether you think it's reasonable for the scope of the facility: https://sam.gov/opp/3726d9e2246c47e197396e805ce6bb33/view


This was awarded sole source. There were no vendors able to compete.

I also find their J&A unconvincing, and there's no way it passes the smell test required in Far part 6.

There was really no other vendor in the world, besides Family Care to be able to do this? They aren't even a construction company.


Wow, I took a look at the first one: ~$3 Billion for temporary shelter for just 3k kids? Almost $1 million per child??

Never heard of the program but on its face that sounds pretty bad. Grift, scam, or just inefficient govt? Not sure but not a good argument for keeping it around!


You can't trust their claimed savings either. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/13/us/politics/doge-contract...

show me an example? Go to the link i provided and show me where they misrepresented savings. You can go directly to FPDS-NG from their saving reports.

NYT is a trash media outlet, which obviously leans everything anti-elon.


All thee DOGE dudes are destined to spend life imprisoned on Alcatraz. The scope of the antics done by these people and the downright disregard for security, ethics, law, and the Constitution, all make them the right people to make examples of.

Alcatraz is a tourist attraction so while perhaps not somewhere I'd choose to live it also has routine ferries that you can just leave on.

Their boss is talking about reopening Alcatraz. I suspect that's what sys_64738 is referencing.

I remember ripping songs in AudioMaster 2 on the Amiga with a sound digitizer, and writing them to floppy as a playable stream. You could boot the A500 with the disk and play back the digitized song. I think that was the point that it dawned on me where music was headed but not the form it would take. This was around 1990.

1999 intersected with CD-R drives that were suddenly cost effective so you could make your own music CDs for a nominal price. Especially as CD players were now the medium everybody wanted.

Oh man, I just remembered the first generation of CD-R drives when blank media was around $500 per disk.

I couldn't python without adding -m pudb. That's not to say it's not temperamental, but I can live with the quirks once learned.

I should force myself to live with it for a week and see if I get more comfortable. One face of it it certainly does everything I currently rely on vscode remote for

IBM would have killed the hardware immediately. They wanted JAVA not the HW.


What software? It was starved.


> Larry Ellison doesn't understand mindshare

Given Larry is the third richest person on the planet, he understands everything way better than us.


Never underestimate the value of luck and of being in the right place at the right time. Larry doesn’t have to understand everything - he pays people to understand the things he doesn’t. His main expertise now is with racing boats.


If that makes you feel better then good luck with that. I'd love to have his luck then.


Remember he bought Sun in part to be able to kill MySQL? I do.


Oracle was kinda sponsored by the U.S. government initially, IIUC (but maybe that's just conspiracy theories floating around?). They had the best SQL RDBMS for a long time, which created mindshare. Back then Larry knew better or didn't think of milking his customers, either way Oracle back then built customers and mindshare. Eventually Oracle began milking their customers. The Sun acquisition experience seems to bear out the idea that they are no longer interested in building mindshare, just acquiring products they can milk, then milk them for as long as possible, and let them die of attrition.


Agreed. I was there also and can say I've never been so invested in a single company. Sun was the best company I ever worked for.


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