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It means regulators must work hader to ban this sort of harmful behaviour. In this particular case, Boeing stock is down 40% yoy. I’m sure the next management will think carefully before comitting the same mistakes.

The stock price didn't fall because of how badly they treated their workers it fell because planes started falling out of the sky.

It would be great for people collecting rent. No fees, just profit.

Where would the profits come from? Any AI extracting them would be at a disadvantage compared to the equivalent AI that makes the same decisions otherwise but doesn't extract those profits.

Profits motivate the investor, but they impede the investment, and what we want are successful investments not happy investors.

I don't think human investors can manage to be less greedy than an AI designed to not be greedy. AI will get more efficient, while humans still have to eat. Also, the assumption we're working under is that humans also make worse investment decisions than the AI.

So if you're in need of abstractions to motivate others to help you with some venture that you can't do alone, why would you (or your employees) prefer the ones that have greedy third parties in the loop who are also misallocating resources?

There are domains where that human touch means something. We should not let AI run everything. But finance is not one of them, so why resist it becoming a solved problem?

The investors can compete on who can take smaller and smaller profits, aided by the AI, and once they've got their system nearly perfect, we copy it and have it take no profits at all. Thanks capitalism, you've done your job, now it's time to go get a different one.

If we start getting outcomes that we don't like, we can always just turn our backs on the AI-begotten abstractions and let the humans take another crack at it, but a system that runs itself without owners extracting profits should absolutely be the goal.


We’re discussing about a group of google employees. Not about the issue they were protesting.

The history of financial markets is about 3-4 lifetimes long. That’s not a lot of history to go on.


People will even start to like you more for it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Franklin_effect


I had never heard of this- thanks for linking!


I’m sure there’s a plethora of companies ready to move in and take their business.


I haven't heard of any of them.


https://libretaxi.org/

There's a lot of companies and cooperatives from a quick look. Even cities rolling their own. Uber/Lyft is handing an entire market over to a lucky competitor,


Uber and Lyft combined have raised upwards of $20 billion in venture funding and have been operating unprofitably for the last decade and a half. There's a reason the "free market" cannot simply replace them in a day.


I mean, if the holy Free Market is as wonderful as some people say, a new and better alternative will take their place.

Right?


This is a really elementary misunderstanding of free market principles. That theory only holds if the market is actually free.

As an extreme example, if they regulated minimum $1000 per ride. No logical person, free market oriented or not, would expect "alternatives" to take their place.


> That theory only holds if the market is actually free.

That was my point, since in fact no market is free


Could you give an example of such a truly free market so we have a common baseline for a discussion?


China iPhone sales are down 24% yoy. With continuing friction this will not be a market they can count on in the future.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-11/apple-to-...


iPhone sales are always down until there is a new form factor. This has been true since at least the 6S


At least the fast pass offloads some of the cost to frequent travellers. Funding airports with taxes is slightly regressive as high-income earners will usually fly much more often compared to someone on minimum wage.


So just like "you"? What's þi problem?


Unironically, yes? Management is where the buck stops.


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