it's a tradeoff between fear that an update will break it and fear that a adversary will break it.
highly depends on the circumstances if/when auto-updates make sense, but once you have seen uptime in the decades range, most don't want to go back to ephemeral systems.
I have never seen a Debian system break due to auto-updates when they only subscribe to the common main, contrib and even non-free Debian repositories. They are incredibly stable and robust.
However one might want to use apt preferences/version pinning if they also use external non-debian repositories to e.g. install a newer version of PHP. Since some repositories keep different major versions in the same repository, an auto-update might otherwise install a version that causes an application to break.
That being said, most systems can probably get away with auto-updates and a little apt preference configuration and call it a day.
> still; can't shake the image of my in-laws complaining about different desktop icons and "how are we supposed to work with this?"
Haha that's exactly how I feel! I'm not married to Podman/Docker/containers in general, I'd just been hoping to get my server migrated from an old Ubuntu setup over to FreeBSD that weekend. Migrating the sites and apps I had running on that old server from containers to jails, too, wasn't something I had planned for, and the weekend ran out of time before I could start looking into how I'd do it.
> I guess it's better to watch it burn than to allow WFH.
i guess there are a lot of companies have not yet found a way to manage wfh for overall satisfaction, which massively burdens morale and hence they face the decision of doing something or watch it burn.
But you're not forced to work for a company that wants you in the office, you're free to seek employment elsewhere that matches your remote requirements similar how a company isn't forced to hire remote workers only. You are both free to choose the best options that fit your demands if you can find them.
Jobs and employers aren't for life. If you uprooted and reorganize your whole life based on the circumstances of a once in a lifetime global pandemic expecting things to stay like that forever, you've done goofed.
That’s not a good take. Compare/contrast: “but you’re not forced to work for a company that wants you to work in hazardous conditions without safety gear”. That’s far different from RTO, but the point is that there’s a huge power imbalance here and it’s not as simple as saying “don’t work there if you’re not happy with […]”.
IMHO, yours is not a good take. I get it, I also like to WFH if I can instead of commuting, but working from the office is not the same as working with hazardous substances both legally and as a apples to apples take.
Working in hazardous environments is outlawed (unless proper care is taken), working from the office is not outlawed. If you want working from the office to be outlawed as a health hazard you'll have to convince the government to do that as part of OHSA and labor laws but good luck getting any workers' sympathy that commuting to work in your cushy air conditioned office is not to your taste from the likes of those doing landscaping or roofing.
Otherwise we can stretch the definition endlessly to working with Windows, Agile, Scrum, Teams and Jira is a health hazard and should be also outlawed because I just don't like them, but me not liking something is not enough to make it outlawed.
Yep, those are indeed not the same thing, and that’s why I said they’re not the same thing. The point was that “if you don’t like it, leave” is a terrible reply to any complaint about a working environment. Especially when things like insurance are bizarrely tied to employment, a huge portion of people can’t just leave.
>“if you don’t like it, leave” is a terrible reply to any complaint about a working environment.
Why is it a terrible reply? What should you do if you don't like your job? What's your point here?
Most people on the planet do jobs they don't like, welcome to reality. Otherwise we'd all be racecar drivers, twitch streamers, musicians and painters and get paid for our hobbies, but that's not how it works for most people.
We do a job not because we always like it or like everything about it, we do it to pay for food, shelter and if money allows, to afford hobbies and leisure that make life nice. Venting on the internet won't improve societal issues or issues you have at your job, it's still up to you to change your situation to what fits you because nobody will do it for you.
That's not true - you just talked about OSHA. What did they do before that? They did what you advocate - they left, or maybe lost a hand or two. Then we got this codified and boom! Now somebody else does it for you (thank god).
It's not just about like/dislike. There are real impacts. Thousands of tons of CO2, lives lost in car accidents, countless human lifespans wasted on a commute. These are real impact that you, yes YOU, will face head on.
Friendly reminder that remote work in IT was a thing way before the pandemic. I for one started working from home full time in 2015.
Also your approach seems to be to just accept whatever employers throw at you. Have you considered that they might be colluding (in a sense) to deprive you of options?
I would like to know a rational reason why I should spend so much of my day travelling.
>Also your approach seems to be to just accept whatever employers throw at you.
Where do you see me saying such a thing?
>I would like to know a rational reason why I should spend so much of my day travelling.
Companies say it's for "better collaboration". You would do it if you had no other options if every potential employer would require you to be on site depriving you of remote options, but because the market is in your favor giving you options, it's difficult for you to empathize with the other situation.
Your solution appears to be "choose a different employer" without any hint of "demand more from the current employer".
> You would do it if you had no other options if every potential employer would require you to be on site depriving you of remote options, but because the market is in your favor giving you options, it's difficult for you to empathize with the other situation.
You assume something that's not the case. I am of the opinion that everyone who can, should have this option regardless of the market situation and I think it's terrible people are forced to commute. It's like paid leave or health insurance - an achievement in workers' rights.
>Your solution appears to be "choose a different employer" without any hint of "demand more from the current employer".
That's only what you implied, not what I said. If simply demanding stuff from your current employer would just work then there wouldn't be so many unhappy workers everywhere. But that's not it works in the real world. The only language employers understand is the "F you, I quit" part.
>I am of the opinion that everyone who can, should have this option regardless of the market situation
That's nice but how do you propose that to happen? Did you see any workers rioting on the streets to have remote work as a guaranteed labor right? No? Then you can forget about it.
All rights and perk that labor currently has, like the 8h workday, free healthcare, paid vacation days, paid sick leave, have been won only through blood and conflict. It's not like your government is ever gonna hold a referendum and ask workers how many paid vacation days do you want to have and everyone gets to choose. If you want change you need to fight for it, physically with violent force, otherwise you'll be at the mercy of the "free market" which may or may not be in your favor depending how the wind blows. Perks aren't just gonna fall out of the sky for the working class, ever. The covid years were a fluke.
>If you want change you need to fight for it, physically with violent force, otherwise you'll be at the mercy of the "free market" which may or may not be in your favor depending how the wind blows. Perks aren't just gonna fall out of the sky for the working class, ever. The covid years were a fluke.
Which I think is very unfortunate, because working from home is a huge benefit to people who want to, while not being an actual cost to employers (in my opinion, not in theirs).
The part I'm struggling to understand, and please be honest here, is you almost sound a little smug that people are being made to return to the office. Maybe you have a good reason for that, or maybe I'm misreading your tone?
That's definitely the 'retro' way of doing it, and has been effectively outlawed in Europe with the new banking file and payment standards laws.
It's rather hilarious, one of the major banks I had a conversation with back in 2019 (as these new laws were barely getting off the ground in tech implementation) noted that they had a service which allowed you to drop in raw SWIFT messages (interbank commmunication format) into a folder via SFTP to make payments in bulk or download bank statements. It's very real!
I wouldn't be surprised if they have a lot of big firms grandfathered into that, and may be still (unlawfully?) offering it.
There are far more FTP connections where people download files than there are available APIs at a bank. Plopping CSV files on a SFTP server is dirt cheap compared to an API.
highly depends on the circumstances if/when auto-updates make sense, but once you have seen uptime in the decades range, most don't want to go back to ephemeral systems.
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