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The dolphins are actually openai

I mean, that's who I would hire for trust and safety.

I always thought it was pronounced "squeal"

I detect you have too much of ThePrimeagen in your video feed…

squirrel

...only in an American accent.

Agreed, although the language still feels like a tech demo. They don't even have a package manager yet. I'm curious and hopeful to see what it looks like in a year

They don't yet have `class` support.

They have their own version called struct which works in a very similar way. I feel like this should be mentioned when saying that `class` support didn't yet exist

Yes, you're right and struct is _the_ interesting part about mojo and is enough to write interesting things in it.

Floodgates will open though once class is also supported.


What kind of support would you have hoped for?

A way to reinterpret a slice of size N as a multidimensional array with strides that are a factorization of N, including optional reverse order strides. Basically, do the stride bookkeeping internally so I can write an algorithm only considering the logic and optimize the striding order independently.

That's where you end up after heavy bikeshedding. Lots of features, terrible performance, as the OP points out.

I agree with you on sparse arrays and multidimensional slices, but this is basically the same as what you'd do manually. Saying that "track strides for me" is "lots of features" is a bit uncharitable.

I would also like to add that adopting instead of having your own baby is the most effective way to save the planet


That kind of thing is often said, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

Preserving the planet is valuable insofar as there are people to enjoy it. Without people to experience it, it wouldn't matter much. Without any sentient being to experience it, it would matter (in my view) zero.

Thus, creating new people to experience it is necessary, if preserving the planet is going to be worth it at all.

Of course, one can argue that there are too many people and we need to make less, but I think there are lots of lifestyle changes that need to be made before something so radical even makes sense. I.e., don't think people should make less kids so that the ones that do get made can live in a suburb and drive a car everyday. That's getting the priorities totally wrong.


There is something to be said for leaving things in a good way without the expectation of anyone coming after you to enjoy it. There is still some order to the world and the universe without humans, to think that we are the center of it all is certainly one kind of philosophy, but not the only one.


I think you're responding to the statement of not having kids at all, instead of the statement about adopting kids

By this logic, a far better thing to do for the environment is to increase access to birth control and abortions.

Raising a child costs hundreds of thousands or millions. Preventing an accidental pregnancy can cost under a dollar.


You probably need to study birth control in context of the collapsing economies of countries like Japan, Korea and China


Are you insinuating that accidental and unwanted pregnancies would help their plight?


I'm saying that having less children is not necessarily good for the environment.


Do you mean economy? Your comment doesn’t mention the environment.

OP: “preventing unwanted pregnancies is good for environment” (because humans have big carbon footprint)

You: “having fewer children is bad: see these economies”

This reads as criticism of birth control and the viability of population reduction as an environmental strategy. But:

1. Do unwanted children typically contribute positively to GDP? Isn’t reducing that terrible situation just a win on all fronts?

2. How is collapsing population in developed countries related to the OP’s suggestion of widespread birth control? Are they really that related?

3. How is having fewer kids bad for environment? Afaict it is unambiguously good for that.


Why?


How are those countries' collapsing economies harming the environment?

Also why would I want to fix an economy using unwanted children?


I’ve never even heard this mentioned as an environmental choice. It strikes me as very strange that this would be the _most effective_ choice we can make — do you have some sources?


If you’re receptive to any kind of argument about reducing consumption, then how could you ignore an argument about reducing consumers?

People that want others to do things like avoid plastic straws but themselves have 2.5 unadopted kids per household are obviously being somewhat hypocritical


It is clearly possible to operate at the level of zero carbon emissions. People did it for thousands of years before the industrial revolution and modern technology runs just fine on renewable or nuclear energy.

Since the emissions per person can be zero, any level of emissions reduction can be achieved with any number of people, you just need more emissions reductions per person when you have more people. "We should have both more emissions reductions and more people" is thereby an entirely consistent position.

More than that, emissions reductions generally require R&D and have some economic cost, but an aging population is economically weaker and has fewer resources to spare. Meanwhile older people who aren't going to live much longer and have no descendants have less incentive to care about what happens in the future and spend those scarce resources on things like emissions reductions. People having more kids avoids that death spiral.

Also, I mean, who are we trying to save the world for?


It sounds like you’re in favor of change via top down regulations, so you’re not arguing for bottom up reduction of consumption. My point is, people who do argue for reducing consumption must consider the fact that consumption hinges on consumers, so either they should adopt or they have rejected their own premises

I personally take the view that policing individual consumption is meaningless, but I still notice the doublethink required for those that have that view to rationalize their choices to not adopt.

> who are we saving the world for?

The future, regardless of whether those people are genetically derived from our selves. Having your own children is often viewed as a selfless act, which is weird, because if you do that when you could adopt an orphan, and if we’re being honest, then it’s one of the most selfish things you can do.


> It sounds like you’re in favor of change via top down regulations, so you’re not arguing for bottom up reduction of consumption.

It could be achieved either way. If you want to e.g. replace gasoline cars with electric cars, you could have some kind of government incentives, or you as an individual could just choose to buy an electric car and put solar panels on your roof to charge it.

> people who do argue for reducing consumption must consider the fact that consumption hinges on consumers

But it doesn't. The rate of consumption is number of consumers times consumption per consumer. You can increase number of consumers while reducing consumption per consumer and end up with a net reduction, as long as the latter is larger. Since consumption per person can get arbitrarily close to zero, it's entirely consistent to want to get there that way than by reducing the population, which has all kinds of terrible consequences.

> Having your own children is often viewed as a selfless act, which is weird

It costs a significant amount of money and primarily benefits someone else (the child). You have to forego a lot of luxury vacations and early retirement to pay for books and food and college.

> if you do that when you could adopt an orphan

The fertility rate is below the population-replacement rate. That includes the orphans. If the fertility rate was only the orphans, it would be far lower than it even is already and we would be completely screwed. Not only that, by your logic the orphans' parents are selfish too, but then who is it that you think should be having kids if the human race is not to go extinct?


> My point is, people who do argue for reducing consumption must consider the fact that consumption hinges on consumers, so either they should adopt or they have rejected their own premises

This argument is absurd and naive. Mass murder and your suicide would also reduce consumers. Clearly there are other factors to consider over and above the raw numbers, many of which are cultural and subjective.


Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m pretty much in favor of do no harm, which certainly excludes advocating or enacting murder or suicide.

Do no harm also means, if you think consumption is harmful then you do need to avoid opting into creating maybe 50-100 Years of extra consumption per child just for the satisfaction of knowing your genes will be doing the consumption.

Are there ever acceptable cultural or subjective reasons to excuse “rules for thee but not for me”?


Can the whole supply chain of modern technology operate with zero carbon emissions?


In terms of energy, certainly. Generate electricity with non-carbon sources, then use electricity. The main difficulty would be aviation, because current batteries are too heavy, but there you could use biofuels until someone comes up with something better.

You're left with things like concrete that emit CO2 from something other than burning fossil fuels. But none of those things are strictly required. There are alternatives to them with various trade offs. Some that are essentially a drop-in replacement, basically different kinds of cement that don't emit CO2, others that operate differently but get you the same result, like using entirely different building materials. The main reason these aren't already used is cost, but that doesn't mean you can't pay the cost, it just means nobody is going to do it voluntarily. It also doesn't mean that no one could come up with some new alternative with a lower cost going forward -- that sort of thing happens all the time.


Not entirely, but a considerable portion can. However, the modern supply chain has to be fully tracked down first, to uncover exactly where most emissions are coming from, and then focus on understanding how to decarbonise those sectors as much as possible.


Avoiding single use items that pollute the environment for hundreds or thousands of years is rational whether you want children or not.

Of course using a plastic straw isn't what got us into this mess and small individual choices like that won't save us.


Adopting is a multi-year, sometimes decade-long process where you have to fill out lots of paperwork before you're even considered. It's no wonder that it's not most people's choice. That stuff can really grind you down


Why not nuking the whole planet, so that nobody is left? Or maybe you want some people remaining to enjoy it, in which case why not your progeny instead of others?

I find this whole line of thought fraught. Some assumption somewhere went wrong.


Realistically the lowest carbon emissions would be to just die


Not really, it’s probably going fully vegetarian and stopping cattle farming but we all know we’re not going to do that.


Meat production takes like 15%. This would just reverse global warming.


Would you say it's an alternative to Open API?


I think it can be, but it can also be used with OpenAPI to great effect as well. We're not trying to replace OpenAPI, OpenAPI is great in many ways and is useful for many people. In general we believe strongly in being interoperable with the existing API description ecosystem.


Shout out to secuso! Their apps might not be the prettiest but they absolutely work and they work well. Very useful


Which movie do you mean?


I knew someone that made a PowerPoint presentation for their partner for Valentine's Day. So you're doing great in comparison


My online dating profile was a PowerPoint presentation before I met my partner.

It easily quadrupled my matches.


And now we live in a world where “powerpoint presentations as dating profiles” are basically the norm


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