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I'm not sure this distinction matters much to most people, though. People hear "defund the police" and draw their own conclusions as to what that means, and it's not a far leap to go from "defund the police" to "welp, guess they want to tie the hands of cops and take away all of their funding so they can't do their jobs"


I think what your saying is that people are drawing the wrong conclusion when they hear 'defund the police'. But, if they knew what was really meant they may actually support it. So the distinction actually matters a lot.

Like if they heard that it meant sending trained mental health professionals to deal with a mental health crisis called into 911 instead of just sending some cops who may very well just shoot them, that might change their minds about it.


No, what we are hearing is that a group for some reason chose a horrible catch phrase that they now say does not mean what the phrase specifically, on it's face, means, and that the group now wants to tell everyone it's not them it's us.

Edit: I think the USA needs to completely change how we approach mental health. My grandfather spent his life cruisading for that. Allowing the catch phrase to distract from that point to the extent that the catch phrase is now pretty much a central focus shows that 'defend the police' very much is a problem.


You are right.

But, let's complete the idea to make it bulletproof.

Regardless of moving goalposts due to changing definitions, the luxury belief still remains:

Reallocate (vs defund) police still moves funds around. Funds are not infinite.

- Less police means more crime. This means fewer personnel to combat crime. Crime strikes directly at the poorest.

- Less police means more mental care. This means more personnel and facilities to combat mental cases. This had been tried already, with no meaningful decrease in mental problems.


>This had been tried already, with no meaningful decrease in mental problems

Has it?


> Allowing the catch phrase to distract

It isn't a good catchphrase, I fully agree. But the reason its been derailed is because there are people actively derailing it and deliberately misleading its meaning. They fight any plan that would diminish the authority and power of police. That's the problem here.


It hasn't been derailed, it's been off the rails from the get go. I don't know who came up with that slogan, but it was designed to fail.


They correctly understood it to mean abolish the police. As was made very clear by those who created the statement as they carried it the BLM riots in 2020


I wonder about this too. He's already guilty in the court of public opinion.


Yup, that too.


People say they want this but I'm not actually sure that they do. Didn't FB do some study about this?


People don't want this. They say they do but they don't.

Social media is 15 years old now. Watching what your friend had for dinner or some other mundane non-event is just not that exciting anymore.


I tend to agree with. A lack of purpose is a big deal for lots of depressed people. Humans need a purpose or they can go down a dark path quite quickly.


Any ideas on how to solve this issue of kids cheating with GPT3 essays?


Realistically? Grade based on thought process and validity of the argument, not whether it has spelling or grammar mistakes. GPT3 is still pretty incoherent over the span of enough text.


Kids' writing can also be very incoherent, sometimes more so. But incoherent writing still counts as turned in work and will get you points and teacher feedback, but GPT-3 generated should not.


This will not be the case in 2-3 years.


Same way you solve the issue of kids cheating by having someone else write their essay.


I honestly don't think it's possible to solve, other than by increasing the amount of evaluation that's done in locked down conditions.

I cannot imagine a detection mechanism that could not itself be defeated by some tweaks to the prompts being used to generate the essays.

It's effectively the same problem as "prove that this kid didn't get their friend/cousin to write the essay for them".


It's the parents' responsibility. No one outside the household can do anything about it imo.

Using AI to write will cause the same issues as:

- phones, some people don't try to remember directions, phone number or addresses

- calculators, some people cannot do easy math

- computers, some people cannot write with a pen, cannot spell without spellcheck


Other than the writing with a pen part that pretty much sums me up and I grew up well before all this fancy supercomputer in your pocket stuff.


Make them write anything gradable in-person, while being monitored by a teacher.

Cheaters gonna cheat, no matter what. This will at least get the group back to pre-conversational AI standards.


Test the kids on their own essays, for example? Maybe this could itself be automated with GPT-3?

The highest-quality answer involves skilled teachers with enough time who know and understand their students. (Actually the very highest might involve personal tutors but let's leave that aside.)

Going down a few steps you might combine the automated approach with skilled teachers and maybe add human editors who can do support work asynchronously?


I'm not super opposed to it.

Watching my son try it, he spends more time reading the created essay and correcting mistakes in it than he does writing one himself. The checking process is very similar to marking, and I think it's possible he's learning more this way.

(Also, he's madly trying to automate fact checking which is doing no harm to his programming at all!)


Using GPT-3 might be a better skill to have.


You mean clicking a button?


No, I mean managing an AI to achieve a random task. Prompting, iterating, filtering - they all require high level input from the user. A LLM is a complex beast, not easy to use (yet).


Students that can't write well can't tell if the generated output is good enough either.


Why has Apple stopped, do you think?


Let's see. 1) Big corporations are not really ethical unless it benefits them or they fear negative repercussions; 2) Ceasing an action doesn't produce a positive outcome but can avoid a negative one; 3) Anything that is outside of the focus of mainstream media is essentially ignored by the general public.

1 + 2 + 3 -> Apple is afraid that the media could launch a campaign against them for not having ceased advertising on Twitter.


Doesn't your explanation presuppose that media aren't (owned by) big corporations?

Let me try another explanation: Apple thinks Twitter might fall over, and is reducing its advertising to what it's already paid for, so that if Twitter blows up, Apple's financial loss is minimised.


Perhaps it's bad for the brand to be shown interleaved with Nazis?


There are a couple other apps in this space. It will be interesting to see how this grows given the current macroecon environment around the world.


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