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or maybe just maybe its time for people to realize that the EU is an enemy of the people, and hold the people pushing for this personally responsible.

and what iphone model do these americans have?

I would be very very surprised if there were not adjustments that could be made that would significantly uplift these peoples situation


> and what iphone model do these americans have?

A smartphone is not an optional component of modern life. You need a smartphone to apply for many minimum wage jobs now


way to misrepresent what i said. you can do that from the cheapest secondhand phone. What do you think most of these people have?

and anyone that considers this to be the case for sqlite, should probably have their reasoning skills examined.

if the unfortunate bus incident happens to sqlite developers, there is exactly ZERO chance that it will not be very well maintained on the count of all the users, many of whom already have support contracts going for decades, and which would require the same level of support they have already enjoyed.


someone tries to scam, steal, beat you up. they then make efforts to stop doing that, and their trust would rise skyhigh? what does someone have to do to earn that kind of loyalty? would you apply this to anything else?

If they've given all the money back that they've scammed and otherwise made all the people they've hurt whole again, and are then continuing to provide a service people find use in, then yes. I'd probably need some time to be convinced that that's what's happened, and that they've truly changed. MS obviously isn't there, but there are theoretical worlds where this can happen.

Obviously, Microsoft can't give people back their deleted Onedrive files, but they can make good on a promise that it will never happen again (given that their efforts are founded in reality and not marketing speak), and hide behind a shield of 'that wasn't our intention'. Same goes with most other things you could complain about Windows.

If you have no reason to believe that Windows will screw you over, since MS has course-corrected on all major points of contention, then why not stick around? (The answer is that MS may change course again, but for those who haven't jumped ship, I'm sure this will provide good enough reason to stick around. It's not like the ship isn't providing them any utility. They've stuck around this long for a reason.)


yes at some point broken trust dictates that no amount of fixing will ever fix it.

"i hate how the current system is, i see some other guys have something that doesnt have these issues, what the other system needs to do is make their system exactly like my current, so that I dont need to spend ANY effort myself"

few moments later

"i hate how the current system is"


"We should throw away the gdp of the us for a year or two so people can then have the same productivity" year of the le nukes desktop

> Microsoft spent literal decades rehabilitating their reputation.

TRYING to rehabilitate. only fools fell for it


easy choice. also, thats just BS, remember how SOMEHOW the same was said for playback of music on computers, yet somehow a certain now-dead CEO was able to say "fuck you" and it happened anyway?

That was part of the deal with Apple the record company because otherwise Apple the computer company would infringe on their trademark. The Steves could have renamed their company or taken the deal. They took the deal.

Not sure if Spotify got that same memo.

> Why 0.1% false positives are acceptable: Disposable email signups are low-quality. A false positive means one legitimate user retries with a different address — a minor inconvenience. False negatives (letting disposables through) are the real problem, and bloom filters guarantee zero false negatives.

this typical insane techbro considerations, would rather inconvenience REAL potential customers, than a TINY inconvenience for themselves for someone thats almost certainly not gonna be a customer.

it is disgusting that anyone thinks like this, let alone spends the effort to implement it.


Let me explain: I'm operating a free cyber security service and 22% of users use a disposable emails. 22% of emails bouncing is not a TINY inconvenience. Hackers using my service incognito isn't a TINY inconvenience. If you're hiding your identity, I can't offer a safer internet to everyone.

I respect your disgust, and I feel the same towards your entitlement and presumptions.

I'll fix the percentage, it's 0.01%.


i am not entitled, however, you are still punishing real users to catch those that are not your users.

even more, your false sense of security here makes it WAY worse, we just saw how someone was able to find a service you didnt catch in almost no time. in addition to that, are you willing to block @gmail, @protonmail or those? which you can sign up with in NO time. essentially your disposable email filter doesnt help you AT ALL stop someone that has even the tiniest of motivation to sign up without giving their real email address.

Just be aware that you are choosing to do actions that are roughly equivalent to what dvd manufacturers do, with unskippable intros telling you to not be a pirate, while the pirates just get contents without this.


are you for real suggesting that this is just countries that just so happen to look at eachother than then all go "wow, gotta get that age verification going" ?

its blindly obvious that this is an agenda that SOMEONE is pushing EVERYWHERE, one can then speculate who that might be, or for what purpose


I am tech policy adjacent, and HN is WILDLY off base when it comes to how the average voter is thinking about tech currently.

Yes, all major nations have been looking at this since Australia started with it.

There’s been a build up of forces and issues for decades.


The average voter thinks what the media tells them to think. This is not a counterargument to the comment you are replying to.

other countries are also looking at many other things other countries are doing, and somehow doesnt arrive at some kind of semi-census in a very short time of eachother.


I’ve read court opinions from the Indian Supreme Court that reference decisions in other nations.

The OSA and DSA came out relatively close to each other.

The rollout and follow up has been organic, with many nations are still at the wait and see stage.

This consensus has been solidifying for years. Your being unaware of it is perhaps because the topic was uninteresting to you?


It's pushed by child safety charities. It might be hard to imagine due to the echo chamber, but some people do actually support this.


i am sure many people support it, but then they suddenly had a breakthrough all over the world at the same time?


isnt it just a little bit funny that all this age verification is coming everywhere all at once


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