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do you think that would have even the slightest chance of changing anything?

So never speak against brutal aggressors who commit war crimes? That seems to be antithetical to Christian values.

No but it puts the ball on their court

when it fears what I and my neighbors will do to it. When it personally thinks about its accountability to the people around it, on firstname basis, any time it even considers spending money.

> if the government is the one keeping my liberty maximized

yeah.... but its not :)


with all due respect, is it possible that because you havent heard about it, that is has happened? and PROVIDED it has happened, would you agree that this is atrocious to the level where anyone involved in ANY kind of government capacity would deserve to be thrown in jail forever for that crime?

Tell us please about the person who got de-banked for expressing skepticism about the Pfizer rollout online

> Chilling. Governments weaponizing information they have on citizens is textbook dystopian

Welcome to government.


i use hetzner too, and I like their current services. But I think we all do good in never assuming or relying on ANY company being our friends. Be vigilant

dont swap

the EVF on nikon Z8 is pretty great. I seriously doubt you'd be disappointed, quite the opposite

Oh, I've tried them a time or two. In the store they look great. The trouble is that I don't really shoot in camera stores often, and when I'm shooting wild wasps in close macro, I'm not autofocusing or even manually focusing but rather holding my breath and timing the insuppressible tiny movements of my body, and the contrast of the ommatidial boundaries in the wasp's eye as perceived through the carefully trained and practiced sensitivity of my eye, as I've learned to anticipate the moment in which my desired composition exists. This way, as the shutter release closes and the shutter itself opens, what's captured is a perfect portrait shot of the wasp, with the tack-sharp, razor-thin macro focal plane exactly where I want it - which almost always is indeed exactly at her eyes.

After all, most of the time she's watching me every bit as closely as I her, and I like to be able to show that. From the ways people look at and talk about that work, the effort has not been wholly wasted, but it is a more demanding task than I expect a median EVF, or if I'm honest really any even remotely affordable model, to handle. My eyes barely handle it, such that even in the D850's bright and generous viewfinder, the way I perceive this kind of focus is not as a clear sense of seeing those fine divisions between optical elements, but rather as minimizing a sort of unpleasant perceptual "static" or "interference," and it doesn't work at all even in my dominant eye through the lens of my glasses. (My cameras' eyepieces have diopter inserts adjusted to match my prescription.)

On reflection, maybe that's why the EVFs I've tried (Nikon Z5 and Z7 iirc, so previous generation) felt like they had a kind of weird shimmer I didn't like. I assume the Z8 does better, and sure, all the focus peaking and trick shot stuff in the viewfinder is nice. I'll even grant it feels like looking at the future. It's just that, so far at least, I find I seem to prefer looking through a camera.


pretty sure they would lose a lot of sleep if no third party application could open their raw

You'd be surprised.

They lost sleep over having images from their devices looking bad.

They wanted ultimate control of their images, and they didn't trust third-party pipelines to render them well.


so you think they'd be all happy if nobody could open the raw files in adobe software?

Yup.

Not kidding. These folks are serious control freaks. They are the most anal people I've ever met, when it comes to image Quality.


Z8 and Z9 can do the same, Z9 can do 120fps in jpeg mode 11MP, similar to your Z8. Z8/Z9 will do 30fps in jpeg fullresolution, 20fps in RAW. how long it can do it without slowing down depends on your card, and whether you use uncompressed raw, lossless raw, lossy raw etc

Yes, you are correct. The spec sheet isn't particularly clear on this so I got it wrong taking it at face value, but on the Rolling Shutter Project it shows the sensor readout speed is the limit, which both use the same sensor. For the higher speed continuous (which is only on the Z9 AFAIK, 30fps is the max I see for CH on my Z8) it uses the video pipeline rather than the standard photo pipeline, which is resolution limited and not in RAW. The Z9 /does/ support alternate write mode, however the Z8 only supports split format or overflow with two cards since Z8 is CFExpress + SD and Z9 is 2x CFExpress. I am not sure how this affects write-out speeds but presumably improves it.

Personally I only shoot at 6fps in continuous for birds because anything faster is usually unnecessary (except for hummingbirds) and just creates more exposures to review/delete in post. I generally preference doing quiet single exposure (Qs) when doing wildlife to avoid any sounds, although since switching to the Z8 it's not really an issue since mirrorless is effectively silent in all modes at fairly open apertures.


the video pipeline is used yes, but it would support doing that at higher fps than 20, as it is able to do it in the 12bit mode for 8k60 NRAW video.

I really wish they had raw precapture on the Z8, but i doubt they will do it


also, you can do 120fps on your Z8, but it reduces to 11MP, this goes for both Z8 and Z9. It also uses video mode for this, but goes to show sensor readout is not the issue :)

The reason it requires reduction to 11MP and to use the video pipeline instead of the Expeed pipeline is due to sensor readout time. I don't /fully/ understand it, but the sensor readout data on the Rolling Shutter Project shows a Nikon Z8 would max out at ~22fps in full-frame RAW, so no doubt they reduced this to 20fps to give them a margin of error. Reducing to the DX frame size reduces the amount of data required to be read from the sensor, which changes the time it takes to do a readout. The Z8/Z9 are 45MP cameras, so just doing a naive bit of maths, you could expect ~80fps if you applied the same pipeline at the DX frame size, but given that there is already a video pipeline and they needed it to be capable of 120FPS, they already had their answer.

both video and photo pipeline is expeed. it does not go into DX mode for 11MP, its full sensor size. its unclear(atleast to me) if it does some form of line skipping or if its oversampled fully.

but the video mode supports full 8k60 atleast, so only a very tiny crop.


It's definitely not straightforward, there was no 8k originally AFAIK, that came through a firmware update and as far as I know is a totally different format that makes use of ticoRAW as a base (https://www.dpreview.com/news/9624409613/nikon-is-licensing-...), so RAW video isn't recorded in the same format as RAW photos (N-RAW vs NEF).

It can only do 8k60 though, not 8k120, so obviously the video pipeline and the C120 pipeline aren't identical.

When you say it doesn't go into DX mode for 11MP, you're correct for C120, but for C60 it /does/ go into DX mode (which captures a 19MP image). How this differs between C60 and C120, I'm not entirely sure in the camera internals. I had thought the resolution reduction is from cropping, but confirmed in the manual that when you enable C120, it's an 11MP photo but is full frame (no cropping).

Obviously this stuff is complex (maybe overly complex) and I haven't delved into it super deeply since I don't need it for my type of photography (and I never do video).


it did initially offer 8k60 in the ticoraw.

but this suggests that the limitations are not in sensor readout, but processing/saving. Its speculated that its due to heat problems if doing faster than 20fps full raw


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