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> more rigorous degrees with higher likelihoods of stable pay (e.g. medical/engineering)

this is the dumbest thing ever. first off, they already chased degrees that paid better -- they went STEM.

secondly, things change a lot in 4 years. the 2020 college freshman is now getting screwed for choosing STEM right now, today. 4 years ago it was a good choice, 2 years ago it was shaky, and now it's a mess.

medicine is also certainly not a solution, as programs are extremely competitive and take 8+ years to complete from undergrad through residency. and not all medical fields are magically lucrative or in demand.


Not all STEM are equal. I would be surprised if significant numbers of electrical/chemical/civil/mechanical engineers are unemployed.

But the more important thing is if tuition and other expenses are low (which they are if one goes to state school or community college for first 2 years), then even a different job can provide enough income to service debt.


Medicine pays so well because it has a medieval guild-like structure which controls the numbers of who can enter the profession.


The barrier to entry for nursing/PA/NP pretty low.


No it isn't. PA is way more work than a NP too, and this varies a ton by location. You're just talking out of your ass.


Why are the relative difficulties relevant? Either way, those career options offer stable, recurring cash flow of at least 50th percentile income, with PA offering even more.


> It often isnt about saving money, it is about having fragile immigrant workers on a leash that you can control with the constant threat of layoff--->deportation

and also the carrot of actual sponsorship. two paths to motivation.

and some will get made into full-timers -- I've seen it -- but it just centralizes control


I don't know what they're like these days but before they were essentially white-label Clevo hardware with PopOS or Ubuntu, etc.


Why does it matter? They provide the support for GNU/Linux and work fine. Also Purism laptops aren't Clevo and never were.


social media is either making money via ads, or making money by shaping consensus.

what approach do you think HN takes, and how many bots do you think are here? Cuz I don't see any ads...


aye was my thought. lifting things will drain it faster.

we're also talking in raw miles, straight line, no hills, decent weather. I'm in a hilly city that gets to -30C on the regular, and these factors could turn 150 miles in to 75 pretty fast.


people definitely want less screens and have been loud about it for years now. the industry finally listened.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/touchscreens

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/automakers-reth...


Both articles are about touchscreens, doesn't really seem relevant.

In either case stated preference and revealed preference are different things.


We won’t know until real choices are given. So demanding to know beforehand feels needlessly antagonistic.


>So demanding to know beforehand feels needlessly antagonistic.

I said it was an open question and the company was betting on peoples stated preferences being identical to their revealed ones.

I never "demanded" anything. I just said that the articles you posted were irrelevant to the question, as physical buttons and large displays can exist at the same time.


You're very skeptical in your phrasing though. Surely allowing a choice shouldn't engender this much skepticism.

Not my articles.


Was I? I just said that those were open questions.


Important to note these are touch screens.

I am not sure it's safe to associate wanting tactile controls equates to not wanting a clear screen for useful information. Like a backup camera.


It sounds like the gauge cluster will in fact be a screen, and it will probably display the federally mandated backup camera feed. I think this is a good middle ground.


bollocks. nature has found equilibrium for millions of years. things like the Nash Equilibrium or game theory also find healthy balances.

what you're talking about is capitalism becoming unsustainable


there were lots of reasons to go west, since Europe was desperate and starved for spices and goods from the Silk Road.

the Ottomans had cut them off following the Fall of Constantinople in 1453 (or where they didn't they taxed the hell out of them).

they knew for sure there was good stuff over there, and just wanted a new way there.

we know for sure that Mars is blasted, toxic, rock ball with less metal than Earth. what great and grand spices will future explorers be returning with? the Portuguese could prove that nutmeg and silk existed...


aye we could have. and they'd all be long dead on the surface of Mars by this point. getting them there isn't enough.


Keeping them alive and returning them doesn't require "a leap" which is the central point of OP I am disagreeing with. We have all the technology, material science etc to do it.

Sure, it requires some research, engineering and a crapload of investment, but it doesn't require anything that is currently "science fiction".


to put a finer point on it, it means the owners don't have to dilute shares or give up control.

no new execs from acquisitions coming in, no risk of spinning off in different ways because of new blood, just organic growth


A leader with absolute authority over the company isn’t necessarily a good thing.

Publicly traded companies have accountability to more stakeholders in additional ways.

A private company isn’t necessarily better for being able to avoid that accountability.


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