I didn't put my email to get the book. I would probably have subscribed, if it was something like "if you enjoyed the content, do subscribe to get more".
Instead, it advertised free, then there is the wall. Like many others, I feel like I've been drawn to a false promise.
I totally understand the author can keep the book behind whatever wall he wants. The title could have been "I wrote a book about ...". And then in the site, "subscribe to get the book".
What do you want? The whole population to leave the country? The govt is bad doesn't mean people wouldn't want to thrive.
Just because something doesn't go along with your view doesn't make it oppressive. And FYI, SA govt isn't fully theocratic. Islam doesn't support hereditary monarchy at all.
I don't think what I want matters very much. I don't live there and don't ever plan to. I'm saying I don't see the appeal.
Was this something the people of Saudia Arabia wanted? Was the population clamoring to live in a giant Line in the middle of nowhere?
Did they ask what people wanted, or even look at where they are naturally gravitating to? Was that even a consideration in this project?
Most cities build up over time as more and more people have a reason to live in a particular area. At some point it becomes self-reinforcing because more people want to live there because everyone lives there.
Historically, efforts to create cities by decree have not worked well.
> Historically, efforts to create cities by decree have not worked well.
Aren’t there a number of big cities that have been built by decree and work well? I’m thinking of capital cities like Canberra (AUS), Brasilia (BRA) and Washington DC (USA). Granted, these are not quite so ambitious as The Line, but they turned mostly uninhabited swampland and farmland into major cities.
The section of Seeing Like a State about Brasilia left me with the impression that it did not, in fact, work very well.
I lived in DC for many years. There were people living there beforehand. It's at an intersection of 2 rivers. The original planning has been able to grow and adapt organically since then. But, go try to drive anywhere during rush hour (or anytime really) and ask again how well it works.
It's also worth noting that all three examples are capitals of their respective countries, which is a built-in reason for people to need to live there. The Line doesn't have that, so why are people going to upend their lives and move there?
I'm originally from Brazil and can attest to that: Brasilia as envisioned is a failed project.
It moved the capital far away from any population centre making the disconnection between central government and the people much larger. The city was designed with a vision of each city block providing all the basic amenities needed to live in the block: shops, office spaces, apartments, etc. This plan was scrapped by the military dictatorship ending with the city having pretty massive blocks where you need to travel long distances to do anything, it became a nightmare of traffic as it wasn't planned that people would require traveling all the time.
Like you mention, the only real reason there's a big population there is due to being the capital, all the bureaucracies of the State reside there and the cascade of employment created by that is basically its whole economy. As a Brazilian there is no reason to visit Brasilia except if you are dealing with the government (or feel like you need to see the capital's architecture for its own sake).
> Immediately after the end of the war, Canberra was criticised for resembling a village and its disorganised collection of buildings was deemed ugly.[96][97][98] Canberra was often derisively described as "several suburbs in search of a city Prime Minister Sir Robert Menzies regarded the state of the national capital as an embarrassment.[100] Over time his attitude changed from one of contempt to that of championing its development. He fired two ministers charged with the development of the city for poor performance. Menzies remained in office for over a decade and in that time the development of the capital sped up rapidly.[101][102] The population grew by more than 50 per cent in every five-year period from 1955 to 1975.[102] Several Government departments, together with public servants, were moved to Canberra from Melbourne following the war.[103] Government housing projects were undertaken to accommodate the city's growing population." [1]
Arguably, Canberra's local economy was/is able to rally around the workers who built the city followed by the influx of civil servants due to centralization of government branches and administrations. The same can be asserted about Washington DC or Brasilia.
In the same vain: towns that emerge around a single economic activity. Like College / University towns. Or mining towns.
Their common ground is a clear appealing, albeit single, economic activity that gives people the motivation to flock to the city. Canberra's local authorities only started to invest in housing projects after a clear need was asserted.
That doesn't mean those cities are regarded as "livable" or "favorable". Brasilia, by and large, is viewed as a "workcity" where most of the daytime population consists of commuters who leave at the end of the day.
Whereas The Line puts all the infrastructure in place without there being a growing community that needs catering to. It assumes that the appeal of the infrastructure in itself is enough for people to be willing to move in. I'd say that's premature optimization.
> Historically, efforts to create cities by decree have not worked well.
can you list some examples? Cuz all i can think of (as mentioned in this thread) are places like Ankara, Astana, Saint Petersburg (matter of fact i think _most_ cities in Russia were created by decree in a swamp) etc.
I was thinking specifically of Brasilia and the criticisms of it in the book Seeing Like a State, how the planning ignored the reality of how people actually lived their lives.
It's also interesting that all the examples you gave as well as the other reply, are (or were) capital cities of their respective countries. Of course, if it's the seat of the national government, people will need to live / work there and there will be a city. The Line doesn't have that, though.
If you go far back enough the Romans were responsible for founding a large number of modern day Western European cities. In CIV terms building a city surrounded by desert tiles is just a very late game move.
I use the hardware button to mute. My headphone has a mute button right on the cord. It's fast and easy and always within reach. If that's not available, I use the operating system to mute. My Linux systems have a mic icon on the top bar. I believe it's easy to do in Windows also. I don't know about mac.
HN should have a tag for walled contents.