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I thought that was odd too. Maybe the middle one was a practice swing?

edit - I watched it again more closely. Looks like he threw down the second ball and the middle shot was either a practice swing or he missed it altogether and it wasn't counted (which I think is fair given he was wearing a thick space suit in low gravity swinging one handed with a fishbowl on his head).

edit 2 - Just seeing child post. Guess I gotta watch it again :)

edit 3 - Yep, child post is correct. It's sort of weird how confusing this short video is. The second ball kind of appears out of nowhere, as if he was doing a practice swing and dropping the ball at the same time.


A ball is clearly visible at 46s. Watching it again, he swings 4 times. I don't see a ball for the second swing, but they are clearly visible for the other 3.

I imagine the analyst found where 2 landed and the write up misunderstood that to be the number of shots.


And maybe the analyst didn't find the third ball because it did, indeed, fly "miles and miles and miles".



In English, "spicy" (usually) means that it will cause your tongue to burn and/or tingle due to the effects of chili pepper or black pepper or hot mustard or anything that causes your mouth to react with what I would call a physical sensation rather than a flavor sensation (of course they are not entirely distinct but that is where I draw the line).

Many dishes contain a lot of spices (nutmeg, cardamom, clove, etc.) but they aren't considered "spicy" because there's no sensation of heat/burning. These dishes are "spiced" but not "spicy" (in English).

It doesn't necessarily make sense, but that is just how common usage has evolved.


OK. Well, I've been using it wrong then :)

Truth be told, in Greek also, where we have lots of dishes with many spices (and some which are made with specific spices, like pastitsada) we don't have a special word for "food with lots of spices" either. We just use the circumlocution.


> We just use the circumlocution.

I think it is an ambiguous category. At least to native (American) English speakers and heathens like me. The only evidence I can offer of this is that in my language culture, I routinely hear "spicy hot", and often enough when one should simply say "spicy", anticipate the question "spicy hot"?

That qualifies as a circumlocution to me. BTW, I didn't think you Greeks learned Latin since all the classy Romans wanted to speak Greek ;-)


Ah, that's a good point. I'm sure I've heard that question often- "spichy hot?". Kind of like "funny weird or funny ha-ha?".

>> That qualifies as a circumlocution to me. BTW, I didn't think you Greeks learned Latin since all the classy Romans wanted to speak Greek ;-)

Oh, actually I learned some Latin in high school, most of which is now forgotten. But, I was surprised by that turn of phrase myself: I was trying to translate from the Greek in my head to English and suddendly a bit of Latin fell out :)

Edit: Also, to be fair, I love surprising my native English speaker interlocutors with weird little bits of English they never use and which I know because I first learned English not as my everyday language, but from books and textbooks. It helps that some of those weird bits are well, Greek. e.g. I surprised my thesis advisor the other day when I used the Greek plural of "lemma", "lemmata" which turns out to be perfectly correct English, although it's not often used. My advisor suggested I refrain from using such obscure words in papers since most reviewers would probably be confused by them and be annoyed at me- and you don't want to piss off reviewers!


>OK. Well, I've been using it wrong then :)

You are actually correct, it's the English that use the word wrong.

Spicey should be a measure of the variety of spices used... A very small % of people from spice rich countries would consider pepper a primary or default "spice".


It's an English word. Maybe it doesn't jibe with your concept of spices, but you can hardly say native English speakers are using the word wrong.


It doesn't make logical sense.

I suspect this misuse is due to the early 12th-16th century English population's ignorance of the complexity of global spice markets and black pepper being one of the first popularized spices once trade routes expanded.

Peppery would make much more sense.


I see your point and I don't blame you. But for myself, it is the opposite: I've always been a meat eater, and I'm looking for a vegetarian burger that mimics the taste and texture of meat as closely as possible...for many reasons, but one of the main reasons is the sheer engineering novelty of it. I can't help but cheer on these efforts and I'm always eager to try the latest attempt.


I stumbled on this video randomly, watched 5 minutes and then I was hooked. I really like this guy's approach to documenting the journey, and his attitude, especially when things get tough. It occurred to me that the HN community would enjoy it.


People are complaining that this is painful to read on Twitter, so I expected it would be painful.

Then I actually followed the link and it was delightful! I'm not really a fan or a detractor from the medium, but I don't understand the hate in this particular context.

PS: What a lovely thread about the reality of peeing in space!


Also, the author is the president of the Science Fiction Writers of America, a Hugo and Nebula award winner, an audiobook narrator, a podcaster, and a puppeteer, and a blogger. I'm pretty sure she has a good grasp of what medium is suitable for what content.

(I, too, thought it was fine and quite reasonable.)


A Pierson's Puppeteer? With two heads??!


Correct - website is gone now, replaced with the book.


I wish I could upvote this to the heavens.

It's been almost ten years since I read it also. Was originally published as a fake blog, with all the posts backdated according the journal entry dates from the late 1980s.

I remember discovering the "blog" after a night of insomnia, lying on the couch at dawn. I couldn't stop reading. After a few minutes I called in sick to work and spent the rest of the morning consuming the journal and literally tingling with excitement and nostalgia and pure inspiration.

I can't recommend it enough.


I noticed my boy was happy getting into cold water as a toddler (compared to adults who suffer during the transition from air to cold water).

Now he's four years old, and a few weeks ago we swam together in a cold lake. He was happy to get in, but after ten minutes I noticed that his teeth were chattering and his lips were blue, while I was quite comfortable.


I feel the same way. Would love to get behind a new shell that has a chance at ubiquity.


The basic thesis behind my Oil project is that a new shell won't become ubiquitous unless it's compatible with bash. In other words, the goal of the project is to replace bash.

Just like any new compiled language needs the ability to reuse C code, I think any new shell has to somehow "reuse" existing shell code, rather than starting from scratch.

I'm even more convinced of that now than I was 3 years ago when I started the project. Even I didn't realize how deep the "shell ecosystem" is, i.e. how much inertia there is to overcome.

Why Create a New Unix Shell? http://www.oilshell.org/blog/2018/01/28.html

I'm looking for people to test it now! I made a release a couple days ago and have gotten several good bug reports, but I need more.

It runs many real bash scripts:

(1) Thousands of lines of distro build scripts (unmodified)

(2) Thousands of lines of bash completion scripts (with slight patches)

(3) scripts generated by virtualenv, git-prompt.sh, etc.

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/How-To-Test-OSH

Testing it out is straightforward but maybe not super friendly. That's what I would like feedback on and help with :) Feel free to join https://oilshell.zulipchat.com/ (log in with Github) and give feedback.

----

EDIT: An important goal is to fill out this page of shell programs that Oil can run:

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/wiki/Shell-Programs-That-Run...

Basically anything you use "in real life" is important!


Am I right to say that OSH is a subset of bash? If so, when does it differ from bash?

I couldn't find this info on the blog. There are a lot of links :)


Roughly speaking, it's a "sane" subset. But it's also a large subset -- it aims to run all bash programs either unchanged or with trivial patches. So far that's been working out better than I expected.

Occasionally a shell script will rely on something really odd, but that hasn't happened too often. For example, arithmetic in ksh/bash has some really horrible corner cases, but nobody relies on those. They mostly just increment counters and so forth.

OSH also has some features that bash doesn't have, so it's not really a subset.

Eventually there is supposed to be a legacy-free shell language called "Oil", but I've had my hands full with OSH, so I don't have much to say about that. But I think replacing bash is more important than creating an incompatible shell language that probably won't get used!


Do you know if there is a comprehensive list of known differences somewhere?


There are some difference listed here:

https://github.com/oilshell/oil/blob/master/doc/osh-manual.m...

Those are the ones that I thought people might hit. There are surely some other differences, which may or may not matter in practice.

This is why I'm looking for people to test OSH now. It's easier to change it sooner than later. If you want to use your favorite shell script unmodified with OSH, please test it :) Or let me know if you have difficulties testing it.


Do you know if there is a comprdhensive list of known differences somewhere?


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