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I’ve long advocated for nutrition labels to include what I call “antinutrition” information.

Things like high oxalate content that, without hydration, can put you at risk of kidney stones.

As a ~vegan I once contracted gout!

What that taught me (via internet knowledge shares, the doctors were completely stumped) was an excess of nutritional yeast.

The daily recommended amount was 3-4 tablespoons per day. I was easily eating 15.

Apparently nutritional yeast has a thing called purines, also found in red meat, and is a cause for gout.

Cut it down to normal consumption levels, and the problem went away.

https://multimedia.efsa.europa.eu/drvs/index.htm

Some of the entries in this public nutrition database have daily maximum values.

That information needs to be more readily available.


Apart from ethical or environmental concerns, one of the best decisions you can make nutrition wise is to vary your intake a lot and one of the worst is to try and subsist on a limited range of foodstuffs.

The paradox is that by restricting my diet, with an ethically, morally, environmentally and health conscious move to ~veganism, it expanded the variety of food I eat.

When you are unable to rely on old faithfuls, especially meat and dairy, you have to explore other possibilities and really dip into the weird.


I have zero intention to comment on vegetarianism or veganism with this observation, I am solely talking about seeking variation in whatever dietary spectrum you may choose to follow...

I absolutely agree.

One quick and easy trick is to eat “colorful food”.

Eating a meal that has lots of different colors increases your odds of getting a broader variety of nutritional content.


That is good advice, but I'd like to clarify that I meant variation over diversity. Eating the same 15 things every week is better than eating the same 5 things, no doubt. But changing it up over the week, month, is even better because is diminishes the chances you're getting too much of something that might be bad in great quantities and works with the adaptability of the body.

Fasting seems to be good for you, for example, because it stimulates the body to consume malformed proteins. Changing intake up from one day to the next also should help the diversity of the gut biome and the activation of several metabolic pathways without 'overheating' any of them.


Double that, restricting my food leaded me to explore new beans, roots and fungus.

This is carnivore cope.

Ultra processed food eaters have an ultra processed food problem.

I eat a ~vegan diet. (~vegan meaning someone a vegan would refuse to call a vegan, but that anyone else would call a vegan, ie. I eat honey)

I cook all of my food, and it’s all fresh produce, spices, evoo, quinoa, and oats.


I heard someone with a similar diet jokingly refer to himself as a 'fuck the bees vegan'

Yeaaah that sound like "fuck the black-humanist". This guy eats want he wants but his self definition is weird and rude.

> A 2021 French study found that ultra-processed ... accounted for 37% and 39.5% of energy intake for vegetarians and vegans ... 33% figure for meat eaters [1].

The data suggests that in whatever population the study sampled from all types of food eaters are eating roughly the same amount of ultra-processed food.

That said, I agree with you that the numbers are too high. I eat meat, cook my own food, and I am pretty sure my percentage is less than 10%.

[1] Deleted shoddy analysis in the article.


Why not just call your diet plant-based then?

Bees aren't plants.

More seriously, if they follow a nearly vegan diet for ethical reasons, except they don't give a shit about bees, it makes sense to describe their choice as approximately vegan, rather than plant based, because it is approximately vegan.


beegain ?

Because most people to this day don't know what the hell "plant-based" means. Products in the market often dilute this term too, unfortunately.

Brands also often inconsistently name "plant based" their products containing eggs, diary, fungus, honey…

You are free to call it whatever.

I am without allegiances.


> I cook all of my food, and it’s all fresh produce, spices, evoo, quinoa, and oats.

Are you on low protein diet ?


I eat in excess of the daily recommended protein amount for my age, body weight, and activity level because I weight train.

My protein comes from beans, quinoa, oats, vegetables, and nutritional yeast.


i used https://www.calculator.net/protein-calculator.html and it gave me ~ 120gm average for my bodyweight and activity level ( with a cdc high of 202gm). I dont' weight train.

quinoa - 8g/cup , 8 gm

beans - That is equal to approximately ½ cup per day. Thats about 20g protein

oats - 6 gm protien

So thats about 44g/day.

Are you eating like ~ 3 cups of beans/day ( ~120gm )? That would be around 350gm of carbs which sounds really excessive to me.

All the things in your diet are listed as "examples of not complete proteins" on that page. not quite sure what that means.


I can't speak for them, but adding a scoop or two of pea or brown rice protein makes it very easy to achieve any target amount of daily protein while getting a good amino ratio.

> a scoop or two of pea or brown rice protein

Very apropos for an article that discusses ultra-processed foods in the context of a plant-based diet.


Definitely processed, but not so different from whey powder or flour.

Pea protein starts with pea flour, but there are several additional processing steps afterwards. Presumably rice protein follows the same rough steps.

As for whey protein isolate, isn't it also considered an ultra-processed substance as well?


The additional steps of processing:

1. Soak in water

2. Filter and keep what’s left.


I was a little too vague. That’s my bad.

Also, per serving: lentils (?g), peas (5g), peanut butter (8g), flax meal (3g), hemp hearts (10g); and more I’m sure I’m missing.

That said, I could easily eat 3 cups of beans per day.

As to “complete proteins” mixing quinoa and oats, which each have some of the necessary amino acids, makes their combination a source for complete proteins.


> All the things in your diet are listed as "examples of not complete proteins" on that page. not quite sure what that means.

Complete proteins contain all nine essential amino acids in consistent amounts. Most of those are stuff like fish, poultry and dairy, whereas grains or vegetables usually don't contain all the needed amino acids.

So if you're on a veg diet, mixing and matching those protein sources is recommended to get you all the amino acids your body needs.


In the year of our lord 2024 I am baffled that anyone doesn't know about the protein content of quinoa, oats, and other starchy grains.

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