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Why stop there when you could go for a Charybdis and get the purer form of zmk and a trackball option

Disclosure: I've worked at WPE.

Consider that WP Engine's business model revolves around WordPress being a problematic platform for their customers in one way or another. They support sites that would otherwise need to be replaced if it were to continue being scaled. This keeps those customers, the whales, in the WordPress ecosystem.

Plugin and theme developers, digital marketing agencies, and independent web developers continue to put food on the table because of a market that otherwise wouldn't exist. This is healthy for the ecosystem.

Conversely, Matt used that market, the users, as leverage against WP Engine. He caused a deep loss of trust in WordPress as a platform for any serious business. He acted in spite of the community.

I don't think WP Engine is particularly "good", but they don't weaponize users for business goals under the guise of altruism.


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WordPress is copyleft (GPL), and copyleft is open source.

And these are the consequences and indeed the intentions of open source. There's no "ripping off", this is what Open Source licenses permit. If contributors didn't want this to be possible, they shouldn't have licensed their software this way.

(Of course, WordPress itself is a fork of a GPL project, so didn't have the option, and you could equally say it's "ripping off" that project. But we don't. Because it's open source. And that's how it works.)


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Honest question because I don't have the answer,

Besides Matt and maybe those who work for him, what other contributors are complaining?


Didn't Matt do the exact same thing with b2/cafelog?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordPress#History

Your pro-Matt stance seems really strained with this argument


This argument is highly strained. Yes, it is nice of people to support the OSS projects they use.

But you’re essentially claiming that no one can offer any kind of managed platform built on open source tools without contributing to them. No one should profit off of, say, Linux, by selling you access to a Linux VM. No one should profit off of git by providing a managed git repository. No one should profit off of react by using it for their money-making website.

That would be absurd. WP Engine is by no means close to the equivalent of an AWS in the WordPress world. There are thousands of WP hosts, few of which actively contribute much back to WP. But that’s frankly just how OSS works, and everyone knows that’s the case. No one is starting OSS projects expecting ever user to contribute back.

And by the way, I’m a developer who contributed to WordPress quite a bit. Automattic is not being “left out to dry” by companies selling WordPress hosting without contributing back. In fact, it (used to be) one of the most valuable companies in the space, precisely because it has influence over 40% of websites in a way WP Engine doesn’t.

All Matt did was poison the ecosystem with a rug pull. The best you can do as an OSS leader is encourage other companies to contribute with things like Five for the Future. Beyond that, you don’t have recourse.

WP Engine would only be a truly toxic player if they had high or undue expectations from the OSS project in the form of large numbers of bug reports, feature requests, or complaints. As a WordPress contributor, I never saw that to be the case. All they did was sell web hosting the same way thousands of other companies do in the ecosystem.


> Matt used that market, the users, as leverage against WP Engine.

Matt has no obligation to make some other company's customers happy. Even less so when that company has refused to work with WordPress despite basing their entire business around its success.

WP Engine has always been a bit scummy. Their name does attempt to make them sound like they are the official WordPress hosting service. This all could have been avoided if they agreed to WordPress' licensing agreement, but now they've both gone into scorched-Earth mode and will both decline.


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