Tell that to Hawaii. Your whole argument is destroyed by Hawaii’s culture. America (the continent) is broken socially because American whites cannot get along with others and they’ve gone mask off, destroying the cohesion we once had when they were trying to seem less hateful.
Even if that’s correct, Bambu has a right to then press charges on the users, but can’t really complain about the guy simply copying AGPL software to make it work. He’s not the one doing the illegal part.
Bambu clearly didn’t want to press charges on their users, though, so they weaponized the law to try and prevent this, and it’s causing them issues.
In any case, we’re not in some “only the laws matter” reality, we’re also have ethics and morals to consider, in which case Bambu is clearly in the wrong. If they want to secure their servers, they should do it properly rather than using legal threats.
"Press charges" - as if this were some Simple Assault. The CFAA isn't something one "chooses" to levy or not, these are crimes against the United States of America and it is solely up to the discretion of a US Attorney to prosecute.
A US Attorney prosecuting anyone on behalf of Chinese business interests isn't a good look politically, though, and that's often a factor.
Yes, I build furniture for my wife’s designs. Without her my furniture wouldn’t exist. I’m the LLM in this case, capable of building things but not furniture design.
The NSA could turn on your flip phones mic thirty years ago without you knowing, I don’t think they needed to do all that fancy stuff with hard drives. That’s just research that they funded to cover up the fact that they owned every computing device on the planet for a while.
Buddy that k10s code was never good. Go vs Rust is not the issue here, it’s the fact the project was vibe coded without reading anything. It’s hilarious to even think that a god model was caused by anything other than someone who let the bot choose too much.
Good architecture in any language is obvious to someone who is experienced and cares.
Go is actually great for bots to write if you’re actually thinking.
California, Illinois, and New York, rigged decades earlier than your screen told you to be mad at republicans who in reality are playing catch up on gerrymandering.
But I noticed you’re trying to avoid the actual point.
Virginia illegally pushed a new map against their own state constitution and their Supreme Court shot it down. Cry more about it.
Yes, I’m a partisan hack. Yeah that’s what’s going on here. You read the referendum question they pushed in Virginia and pretend you’re on the correct side of legitimacy.
>California, Illinois, and New York, rigged decades earlier than your screen told you to be mad at republicans who in reality are playing catch up on gerrymandering.
Gerrymandering gave Republicans more seats than they deserved if all votes were equal in 2010 (+9), 2012 (+19), 2014 (+17), 2016 (+21), 2018 (+2), 2020 (+2). The closing of the gap since 2018 is the reason why Republicans restarted gerrymandering and made it their platform.
My memory also starts more than a year ago, but I have clear data to show that gerrymandering over-represented the GOP for more than a decade - on top of the Senate being structurally biased in favor of Republicans.
I was a hand tool woodworker, but the first time I had to rip 56 6 foot boards into 7 strips I immediately purchased a table saw. Now I use hand tools rarely because I find the speed and quality of my cuts are better. I still use hand tools for things that require certain standards, but electric tools almost always produce better quality results.
It’s about the same for AI coding, I just get better results.
I think we have to be careful with such analogies. One does not have to have sweated for years with hand tools to understand what an accurate rip cut through ply looks like. On the other hand, if you just gave someone some rough cut wood and an electric sander, how would they even understand what that wood could look like having never used a good, sharp hand plane?
With AI coding we're talking about people producing abstract artifacts that most people do not understand and do not know how to test. These aren't just strips of board. They are little machines. So you shouldn't be asking whether you'd trust a table saw to cut your boards, you should be asking whether you'd trust someone who has never cut boards to build your table saw.
Everyone is talking about AI coding like only brainless idiots are using it. I’m a professional, I can judge and fix the clankers output. I don’t give a shit if some other idiot is using their tools right.
The vast majority of people using AI to code, even in production, are brainless idiots. Not knowing anything about the process and not needing to care is the entire draw of AI for most people regardless of the medium, and particularly for employers. Processes are moving to eliminate humans from the loop of AI production, not to require them.
People like you are an anomaly, not the norm. "I wrote an entire production quality SaaS without knowing what a function is" is the norm.
I don’t agree with the presentation, but the dead comment here has a point I agree with.
Most developers were shit before, and now they’re just faster at that shit.
AI isn’t the cause, it’s a tool being misused. Misused at a grand scale, indeed. I don’t care, that’s literally not my problem. I can’t do anything about it, so I don’t complain, I use the tool the way that helps me without producing garbage. I can only control myself and what I do with this tool, why would I get anxiety about what others are doing? Some guy is probably driving his car too fast and killing someone this instant, and vibe coding isn’t doing anything near as bad.
> Some guy is probably driving his car too fast and killing someone this instant, and vibe coding isn’t doing anything near as bad.
Yet. Cars probably didn't kill random members of the public in the first two years of existence either. Even after their obvious dangers were understood it would be decades before pollution and the effects of roads everywhere, urbanisation and sprawl would be understood. Even though the externalities are now acknowledged we still struggle to do anything about it, over a century later.
Is it too much to ask to learn from our mistakes and not let the same thing happen again and again?
What was the mistake? That cars were invented? You can’t control everything, you can’t put it back in the bottle. Do you think either of us have any control over the vibe coder type? They’re always going to be reaching for the easy button, whether that’s AI or something else.
The mistake was building our whole society around cars, letting driving become a de facto right, rather than the privilege and responsibility it should be.
What are you going to do when your government insists you use some vibe coded app to get access to healthcare? How do you feel about your family having to live in a world with vibe coded cars and drones flying around?
This is too big for us to just bury our heads in the sand. Our industry is already immature considering the impact it has on people's lives. Building regulations exist to ensure you can get a house built without it falling down. How are you going to get software built? You can't just do it all yourself.
Similar to wood working, sometimes I use the LLM rough out the concept quickly then refine it. The initial roughing looks awful and this seems to bother some people a lot. It’s fine for me because I still have the correct tools to pull it all together. It saves me immense amounts of time.
Another analog is using power tools to make jigs for hand tools. I’m constantly rigging up test or data wrangling harnesses to improve my ability to verify and refine solutions. It’s so ridiculously useful for improving outputs, even if it isn’t writing the code that makes it to production.
Your power tools run out of tokens and you have to open yet another online account to get around the daily sawing limits in order to finish the task today?
You can use qwen 3.5 for genuinely useful stuff without worrying about subscriptions and tokens. The 35b model works well on my Mac Studio and does all kinds of menial tasks so I can use my subscriptions for more important or complex things. I don’t think it’ll be long until models comparable to Sonnet today will run on my machine.
I have no idea what the frontier will look like in a few years but I don’t doubt local models like qwen will still be a staple of my workflows.
And for what it’s worth, there are people out there who lose their sawing ability because a safety brake totals their blade and needs to be replaced for something like $100. Sometimes we pay extra for features we value. We can always pull out the hand tools if we have to. In the mean time, make hay I guess.
You’d be surprised at the things table saws do when the wood has imperfections. I’ve had to buy new lumber when I fuck up a rip. Circular saws are maybe a better example because with both those and AI you need skills to use them properly.
Is it? Isn't the inverse? The speed of your cuts is improved with AI a bit, but aren't the cuts all rough and need additional work? Isn't the quality less than what you would do by hand?
Because that's what every AI usage I've experienced has been.
Nah I get better results in the end with a clanker helping me. I specify down to interfaces and stuff, I only let the bot put the functional code in, then I review it. I find AI coding tools are a real benefit for me and my quality. Not so much speed, I would say a project takes at least the same amount of time, or more, than before I used AI tools. I can talk more about it if you’re curious, maybe I should record a session so people can see how you’re supposed to use AI coding agents.
I don’t let AI either, I tell it what I want and it builds it to my exact specs. Not vibing, I specify the interface and what the functionality should be then I verify it. I just don’t have to press the keyboard. The result is what I’d have built, but it’s easier to polish because there’s a difference between thinking about code and thinking about architecture and functionality.
You guys are really not understanding the difference between a professional using AI tools properly and vibe coding.
I think I’m lucky that I never enjoyed programming, I enjoyed thinking about problems. That makes AI coding great, because I’m good enough at programming that I can describe what I want easily to an LLM, and I can judge the results very well for myself. I read and understand each line so I know I’m not committing crap.
I feel similarly. I wanted to develop software, I didn’t want to “program”. I want my code to fix problems, I want the end result to feel great to use, I want it to be able to fix problems and feel great a year from now, too.
I want to be better month after month, I want to be able to discover new areas.
Using AI tools makes sense to me. It’s important that you don’t believe everything the hype men are telling on Twitter, but it would also be a mistake to believe there is nothing valuable in this technology.
I am perplexed at how it can cost so much. I have been using AI every day, all day for a few months now and I have not even gotten to spending $300 a month. I use Cursor for teams, so we get ~$80 of usage for our ~$40 per member, then we pay Cursor's upcharged API rates from there, and I STILL don't spend more than $300 a month, if that. What the hell is everyone doing with their fucking tokens?
Companies never want to reduce productivity unless they need to cut spending or increase profits. In other words, if AI increases productivity that’s a direct win they can use to beat their competitors. You can’t spend money you don’t have, but you want to spend the money you do have as point at there work to do, which there always is.
> unless they need to cut spending or increase profits
yes, so basically always? the situations where companies don't want to do this are very rare.
I understand your broader point that doubling down on productive things is useful. But there's no limiting principle to that idea.
The obvious reality is that businesses are trying to find a sweet spot between expenses and productivity. It's not always the case that slashing spending is worth it. But it's equally naive to act like being able to do more with less shouldn't make you want... less
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