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Not everyone lives in a country where government is a friend

And even if it is today, a fiend is just one bad election away.

Noone does..

>Trying to buy cheats should be like trying to buy chemical precursors to illicit drugs

Totally agree, both should be absolutely legal and accepted


how? you can use tor for the entire process of getting and using the number


> but that still doesn't justify

No, that really justifies anything. Programs should be pleasant for users to use, not for developers to work on them


One does not exclude the other.

And, honestly, these things are connected. It takes more needless work from the developer to maintain the user-visible pleasantness while adding new features. The code is much more fragile than it could've been which means bugs are much easier to introduce and much harder to diagnose and fix.

And I'm not asking for a complete rewrite. Just losslessly restructure the existing code, extract all those custom FrameLayouts and ViewGroups into separate classes, split those 2000-line if statements into separate methods, make some things (like ChatMessageCell) into sensible class hierarchies, introduce constants or enums to replace magic numbers, all that sort of stuff. This will not affect the UX, but it would make bugs harder to introduce and easier to deal with.

I'm generally not a fan of the developer-experience-focused approach to software development (Electron, React, and the web dev "trust me bro" attitude should not exist), but sensible code structure is where I draw the line.


Tell me you're not a professional software engineer without telling me you're not a professional software engineer.


Mail was always available through icloud.com though


It even predates iCloud, web mail launched with MobileMe.


Tornado, Tonnel (tornado on ton) and Monero already exist. You can already easily launder any amount of money with that services


"Don't be against this thing that's bad because all these other things are also bad. That makes it good!"


Should've stayed with "grams" as base currency instead of renaming it to toncoin


TBF Telegram doesn't exactly have a direct connection to Toncoin. It's primarily a community project which they heavily promote, since the SEC got on their case about Gram's direct integration.

Yeah, I get the reply was meant to be punny.


I can't use copilot at my company due to NDA but can ask questions to chatGPT and use provided code


Are you afraid for your and your family lives after posting this comment? If not, then it's not worse


Did he complain about safety and freedom, or did he complain about censorship? Is it possible that corporate censorship in the west today is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR, due to the unavoidable encroachment of technology into everyday life and the surveillance/centralisation path that we've taken with the internet, without the impact on safety and freedom (yet)?

Once you have the surveillance in place, it only takes a regime change and a suitable excuse (e.g. a terrorist attack) before you live in a dystopia worse than the USSR.


>is already worse than state censorship was in the USSR

It is not. It is absolutely inadequate comparison.


Oh, it absolutely is. Censorship in USSR was manual labor. The scale at which its is operating today is incomparable, as is the amount of false positives which it captures, as well as the variety of censored topics across different institutions.


Manual vs automatic is irrelevant here. There was much less content to moderate if we talk about media. They could censor every single publication, movie or song manually. In oppressive regimes like USSR the censorship is total - the only escape is your kitchen (if you can really trust the people you talk to), in the West you are free to choose the platform and live peacefully in your bubble if you want.


In oppressive regimes like USSR (as if there are or were any regimes "like USSR") (where censorship was manual) there always were loopholes to avoid censorship and convey messages you wanted to. In the West (as well as in the East) today the platforms don't allow for any loopholes, or even when such loopholes are found, they're being censored out very quickly.


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Both of you broke the HN guidelines badly in this thread. We have to ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. We've had to warn you about this before.

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What does censorship mean to you?


Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. (Wikipedia)


and which part do you think Facebook/twitter/etc don't take part in?


Wrong question. Of course they censor content. I did not say they don’t do it, I only pointed out that comparison to USSR is quite an exaggeration.


what evidence would convince you that the comparison is apt?


I know that such evidence does not exist, but if it were, a detailed comparison based on it would deserve a scientific degree. Neither a single corporation nor entire big tech considered together as a single actor can really compare with the scale and diversity of censorship of a totalitarian state.


now try all the corporations together.


> Once you have the surveillance in place, it only takes a regime change and a suitable excuse

Or just a pandemic. We've seen first hand how divergent speech was treated in "democratic" countries and how quickly algorithmic censorship was implemented on web products, especially those owned by Google.


Not everyone who was censored was immediately in danger of being killed. That’s a false premise.


You can buy "anonymous number" on fragment without using any client and without providing any personal information and use it as much as you can

When signal becomes at least remotely as popular as telegram it will implement same protection to fight against spammers because you can't have free unrestricted registrations and don't drown in spam

Telegram currently makes it as accessible as possible: either use it freely but register using phone number and official app or pay and use anonymously as you want


I just looked at the fragment.com site to see how much such a number costs. The lowest possible bid you can currently make, and that is for an auction that has six days to go, so probably not even the final price, is over 100$. That is an unacceptable price for basic privacy.


Signal is already extremely popular, their anti-spam by default is that you need to get matched to the user's local contact list or the spam becomes an allow/deny prompt. They also require a confirmed phone number and handle registration throttling.


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