Instead of this PR nonsense I feel the cloudflare news we should be discussing today is the fact that they just admitted to logging the usernames and passwords of users for websites which use their service.
The problem with these devices, for the government, is that the people _might_ come back, but this time with tools designed to defeat these devices (such as guns as explosives). If that happens, it can be very bad (for both parties).
Overuse of these kinds of things is...dangerous for the government
That depends on where you put international law into this. Since 1945 it has generally been considered that there's a limit to the actions that a sovereign country can take. International law might work primarily with treaties rather than 'conventional' laws, but there are already parallels with national legal systems. We have a kind of international legislature (the United Nations General Assembly) and a judiciary (the International Court of Justice).
Technology also attacks this front, through mass surveillance and disinformation. Which is really what we’ve been seeing in the past 20 years. More and more, the focus is shifting to the “source”, the human minds who demand change.
What's going on is that you just refuse to accept that going back to the Serbian government not having a sound cannon, and simultaneously that not resulting in a Tienanmen scenario, would plain be a possibility.
I tried my earnest to extract it out of you why exactly you're stuck in this state, but short of you being maximally insufferable and equally sure of yourself, I was not able to get anything out.
All the while you tried every trick in the book to strong arm me into saying things I do not actually believe to derail the conversation, as well as ridiculed me every way you knew to, with a particular emphasis on anyone not sharing your opinion meaning they're childish and are fantasizing.
They'll use whatever methods they'd have resorted to beforehand, obviously. If that's beating then it's beating, if it's water cannons it's water cannons, if it's rubber bullets it's rubber bullets, if it's nothing it's nothing. Probably a mix of these.
What is the point of this conversation again? Oh right, according to you they were going to get steamrolled by tanks and shot if that fails. No, I don't think that's what would happen, not in Serbia specifically right now. Is it possible they'll get there? Sure. Just not the likely option, for now. Does having a sound cannon rule that option out? Also no. But ultimately I don't know why anyone would even entertain such an outcome, short of them somehow enjoying the thought of people suffering or dying. Which I'm pretty sure is why you were asked by that other user, whatever the fuck is wrong with you.
But let's go even further! Are there potential benefits to using something like a sound cannon as opposed to the aforementioned? I can certainly think of a few. But instead of bringing those up and actually characterizing the topic further, you were entirely too busy trying to ridicule and mock whoever you could, and try to frame others as wanting people's deaths. Was having a discussion on this ever really a goal for you at all? Is this how you discuss other things with other people too?
You’re missing the point. You can’t call yourself a democracy and prevent people from peacefully protesting. Either you allow people the right to demonstrate in peace to show those in power the scale with which a certain cause moves people or people skip protesting altogether.
An argument with which they could win a scenario conveniently tailored by you, that you have arbitrary control over, and can twist until their argument is rendered senseless again?
> I would prefer protesters not be killed by oppressive governments. I guess you prefer tanks and guns.
On a tangential note, may I ask your stance on the Russian invasion of Ukraine? I'd guess you're also a great proponent of the "peace" the Trump administration is drafting?
I'm saying I'd rather see people robbed of their human rights by non lethal force over lethal force. There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon.
You have some wingnut tangent about Ukraine and assumptions that since I don't ride your high horse I'm a bad guy of fantastical proportions. Its weak minded thinkers like you that prop up the evil cabals of this world.
Feel free to contemplate the cancerous nature of your intellectual defects.
Engaging in conversations with people like you is a severe intellectual defect of mine constantly on the forefront of my mind, don't worry.
> There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon.
Do you know what are there dozens of examples of also? Protests that didn't result in lethal weapons being used, or weapons similar to LRAD and ADS. But that doesn't fit the convenient headcanon you oh so desperately want to corner people into "debating" with you, so that's of little concern I imagine.
You keep citing unicorns on my end, yet the only thing that seems to matter to you are your own fantasies, where options other than being Tienanmanned or being sound cannoned don't exist. No, sound cannons shall be fucking awesome because they do not directly kill, and indirect kills don't matter probably because of some other tirade about unicorns. Permanent damage also doesn't matter for similar reasons. It's all black and white, and the point is that everyone else is wrong and just a pussy, and you're badass and right. Congratulations. A real thinker of our time.
> since I don't ride your high horse I'm a bad guy of fantastical proportions
Oh, no. I think of you way lower than just a "bad guy", in good part because a language model demonstrates better reasoning, intellectual honesty, and self-reflection abilities than you do, all the while not deflecting in a hilariously performative manner to accusing the other of moralization.
> Its weak minded thinkers like you that prop up the evil cabals of this world.
Mirror. Now.
You're the one taking the stance of "but at least they didn't die so it's okay', you're the one preemptively victimizing yourself by people who dare to fault their govt at all, and then YOU HAVE THE GALL to call such people the enablers, and the weak minded. "Bad guy" my ass. You yourself are the cabal.
Nobody argued that getting killed protesting is better than being sound cannoned either, but that didn't stop you from assuming that, trying to corner people into saying so, and acting hostile as all fuck, hence this entire thread.
Glad we cleared it up. I guess like protesters getting suppressed being generally true, discussing anything with an intellect of your caliber carries a similar general penalty. Definitely a valuable way to frame it that I'll keep in mind moving forward.
> Please try harder next time even though I know it gives you a head ache. Cheers.
Thanks! It is definitely not the cleanest code I've written but I'm slowly making it cleaner and ready for OSS contributions. Learned a ton along the way too, which makes this all worth it nevertheless.
I'll use the common excuse: I jotted this project down for myself without the thought of publishing it ^^
The stated goal was for sites to be able to restrict access to human users instead of automated programs and "allow web servers to evaluate the authenticity of the device and honest representation of the software stack and the traffic from the device".
Which on the surface seems like a legitimate use case I have to be honest.
It's legitimate if you believe companies should have the right to provide or deny you service by arbitrary criteria and on arbitrary terms. This belief has some unfortunate real-world implications.
The most likely outcome of WEI would have been - and might still be - that users of any operating system or browser that does not comply with the Trusted Computing agenda (secure boot, verified OS, full encrypted path from company servers to the user's screen & input devices) find themselves locked out of large portions of the internet.
> "allow web servers to evaluate the authenticity of the device and honest representation of the software stack and the traffic from the device".
That's not in the purview of a web server to do that, and quickly falls into the territory of violating 'neutrality' and 'anti-compete' territory. (i.e. it should not be possible for Apple or Microsoft servers to show content only to Microsoft or Apple devices, because that violates the law, it prevents competing software vendors from being compatible with them).
It is strictly not appropriate for every single web server that my browser contacts to audit my software stack, just like if a bank phones me up randomly it's not appropriate for them to verify who I am — the burden is on the web server to validate and confirm that it's identity and software stack is correct, instead.
The job of a web server is to truthfully serve it's content and not to butcher or malform that content, just like a librarian. Imagine if you had to take your birth certificate and pictures of your flat's security system to a library every time you wanted to borrow a book!
How exactly are you going to be able to trust elections at this point? I don’t mean as some kind of conspiracy theorist but in a very practical sense that I can’t think of any meaningful controls or external oversight mechanisms that I could point to.
They were literally one of the very first things he got rid of and now all of the voting infrastructure is controlled at the state level by partisans who have shown loudly and clearly that they have no interest in playing fair.
Putting all of your eggs in the free and fair elections category is genuinely not a credible plan at this point.
We have election monitors and real-time tabulation of results at precincts (mostly). Some states have recounts of a random subset of ballots with election monitors to verify results.
And of course, the Federal government isn't involved in the logistics of voting at all. It's run by thousands of local governments.
No. That's what makes it much more difficult to attack at scale compared to centralized voting systems.
You can't stuff hundreds of ballot boxes without election monitors noting the discrepancy in number of voters. Even if you could, you can't add more ballots than people visited without the election monitors noticing or remove them for the same reason.
Since voter names are crossed off and publicly recorded as voting, stuffing a ballot also box risks discovery if that person tries to vote or sees themselves on the list.
Since votes are tallied and reported as counts happen at the precinct level, again, with election monitors, there's no easy place to alter votes. The sum of the precinct totals has to be the final result.
Then there are the automatic recounts which have to match the originals or one risks discovery.
The only real scalable attack is through electronic voting machines without a paper trail - which is why they should be banned. Well that and any ranked choice races for the areas that have them (since they have to be tallied centrally and aren't auditable in any reasonable way). Anything else has a high risk of discovery.
Nothing like the belief that you would be pardoned to make you feel comfortable breaking the law for your favorite convict. I’m sure he will encourage this view with his speech, blah blah “J6 patriots” and what not, without explicitly saying he will pardon anyone.
At the end of the day, that is the purpose of states controlling their own voting. It is why the electoral college exists, not for the people’s votes to determine the president, but for the State’s representatives to determine the president. This is the downside of that design.
iOS is without question one of the most secure OS out there today with any amount of real world use but the gap between what it is and what state of the art looks like is also insane. Fuchsia is actually quite well aligned with something that’s actually defendable in the real world and across time.
It’s also a totally different security architecture that is considered actually defendable rather than the cat and mouse game we have going on today. It’s actually well designed for modern threats.
https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/cR4dJWj3KZltPv3rqX
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