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> People seem to think this is Facebook injecting ads into games all willy nilly

Based on previous behavior, this isn't an unfounded line of thinking. Many of the statements made by FB in regards to Occulus, while true at the time of the statement, have been completely reversed.

It is completely fair to expect that, at some point in the future, FB will inject ads into any VR app on Occulus at will.


> It is completely fair to expect that, at some point in the future, FB will inject ads into any VR app on Occulus at will.

"Once we can roll back some of Halliday's ad restrictions, we estimate we can sell up to 80% of an individual's visual field before inducing seizures [...]"


That book/movie was such a missed opportunity to say something meaningful about a VR future, but it just kinda doesn’t follow through. In part, it is what I noted before. It lacks any meaningful humanity. There is a narrative acknowledgment that poverty, personal reinvention, and power exist, but it’s paint on the wall. No choices were contingent on them. No sacrifices made in response to them. None of it matters.

Then also - there is little future in it. Immersive VR is almost entirely where the future starts and stops. Everything else is mined from pop culture.


That's about as likely as Nintendo or Sony indiscriminately rendering ads on top of the viewport while a game is running on their consoles. It's never gonna happen.


I disagree. Nintendo and Sony don't earn the majority of their profits by selling ads. Facebook does. Nintendo and Sony customer base is people buying games while FB's customer base is advertisers. At the end of the day, each company will do what it must to retain/acquire customers.

Edit: fixing typos


Nintendo I agree with whole-heartedly. Sony, not so much. They sell consoles at a loss [0], and make up the difference with licensing and percentage-of-game sales from publishers.

Meaning I am Nintendo's customer, Epic Games (I... think(?) they make PS5 games) is Sony's customer, and assorted advertisers are FaceBook's.

[0] https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/sony-is-selling-th...


About as likely as youtube interrupting a chamber music concert or classical symphony to show ads. It's never gonna happen... surely, right?


It's hard to assume a centrist's opinions on these things. Anecdotally, the centrists I know and talk to regularly are entirely aligned with the left on those issues.

Centrists don't pick the middle of every issue, they pick issues from both sides they agree with.

For example, a centrist may be FOR universal healthcare and AGAINST gun control. Or FOR lower taxes all around and FOR $15 min wage.

Taking each issue as it's own instead of aligning with one party or another on all issues is what a centrist is, to me.

Edit: I'm a self admitted centrist. Feel free to ask questions on my views if you'd like more info.


Could a browser extension do this for every single request?


It could now, but Manifest V3 kills blocking/intercepting WebRequest, so not for much longer. Maybe Chrome will add some Floc APIs to the extension API?


I find the best solution is to simply never use a social media account attached to your real identity.

Innocent comments taken out of context or a general changing of accepted speech can turn a decade old bit of text into damning evidence of bigotry, racism, or any other ism.


Or social media could implement automatic autodelete, like Snapchat but after a longer time.


The problem with autodelete or timed content is with caching services. There are a number of sites that allow you to see deleted comments. If a social media service is large enough, I imagine the same will be created.

Once something is on the internet, it is always on the internet.


That would make them like reddit :/


We all know the answer to this. It absolutely should be opt-in, but they know that around 96% of people will never opt-in. See: iOS 14.5 privacy changes.


Making something opt-out because you know that people would not opt in voluntarily is a class of evil on its own. It is simply fraud and deception.


I agree with you but it seems that most people outside HN don’t agree. As long as it’s done for good (organ donation) people support the same manipulation.


Organ donation is opt out. Do you consider that evil?


Presumption of consent in the context of organ donation is a very complex topic[1]. Amazon stealing your network is not a profound moral quandary, and comparing the two as level ground is either an indication of lack of comprehension or intentionally being a bad faith contributor to the argument. Either way it's not a helpful avenue of debate.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6475984/


it's not where i live


That's not necessarily true. The biggest reason that people don't opt in to things voluntarily is because people are lazy, not because they've weighed the options and decided that opting in doesn't benefit them. (See the sibling comment, which mentions organ donation.)

We had this whole debate over COVID tracking. They've come up with a system that is actually pretty secure. It's entirely client side: none of your location information is ever revealed unless you report yourself as having tested positive for COVID. Opting in is not that unreasonable even for paranoid people (I use the app). And yet it has to be an opt-in system, which means it's unlikely to be effective.

Similar with Apple having its network for those tracking things set to opt-out, not opt-in. Having the network available to its customers is a benefit to them, and not enough people would opt in.

IMO, we need a third alternative in between opt-out and opt-in. The first doesn't sufficiently respect individuals' right to privacy, the second falls apart in a kind of inverse tragedy of the commons. As far as I know the only possible alternative is forced-choice: while setting up the device you should have to read a short statement about what it can do and the positives / negatives, and choose whether you want to enable that feature.

I imagine many people working at Amazon do feel that this feature provides value to people without impacting privacy. It's effectively a very low bitrate VPN to the Amazon cloud for the purpose of controlling IOT devices. As far as mesh networks go, that's pretty unintrusive and certainly provides value to some customers, even though I agree that making it opt-out is unacceptable.


Like Apple Amazon will change to OPT-IN when it is in their own interest and likely only after killing off some competitors. So maybe in a few years time..


They just need to create some incentive to opt in. It could be get some discount or your devices get a fallback if you allow other users to get a fallback in the event of internet loss. That would be the right way to do this.


I did the same. I don't think you are alone, at all.

FB pays well and works on really interesting things but I just can't justify the moral price of working there.


Thank you for your choice of not working there!


How is this relevant to the tracking popup that shows up when you open a newly installed app? The source of that app isn't relevant here.


Imagine if Google partnered with Valve to bring your steam library to Stadia. That would have instantly won over millions of gamers. I would have bought into Stadia so I could play my games while traveling.

To me, someone that has been playing games for 30+ years, Stadia couldn't have been handled worse. They tried to pull a Microsoft and enter the gaming world, but forgot to have the killer app like Halo.


I imagine Valve could just build their own game streaming service. They have a massive advantage over Google there.


How often have you had windows switch your default browser? Genuinely curious as I've been using Windows 10 since release and have never had my default browser switched away from Firefox.


I've been on w10 since release too, and i can't recall it ever changing default apps. I also don't have the cmd adds or the task bar adds these people are talking about either.


I haven't been counting, it happened a few times though - mostly after bigger upgrades or when they started pushing Edge with fullscreen ad.


"Reality Internet" similar to "Reality TV". It is all trash and a waste of time.


Tabloid internet.


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