Good to know! As a short term hack - would you mind just noting you are from Europe in the "learn more" form under the open "other" field here: https://www.begolden.online/
Trusted Housesitters matches people who have a pet and want to go on vacation with people who would like to take care of the pet while staying at the other persons house (usually for free).
I love it because we like to discover the world and meet new people in different cities. Due to the lifestyle we never wanted to get a dog or cat because we did not want to constrain our flexibility. Trusted Housesitters gives us the best of both worlds.
I am super glad that we found it. And to be honest, I don't know when we would have found it without Youtube ads. I was watching many videos on pet behavior and - boom - there was the ad and it was a match made in heaven.
I know many people are critical of ads and I also don't enjoy most of them. Thus, I wanted to point out this splendid example which changed my life for the better. Thank you, ads. And thank you, trusted housesitters for putting in the effort to find me because I did not imagine that something like this would exist.
I guess this is the opposite of "create a good product and customers will beat the path to you". This was more like "create a good product and invest money to find the people who like it and are willing to pay you back for it".
To the founders of mito, regarding the mito GPL license:
What is your take on that regarding usage inside cloud provider's notebooks like AWS, GCP, Azure, Databricks?
Is it allowed or not allowed by the license? And who should/can control the usage since users can install any kind of Python library in those environments.
And, separately from the maybe ambiguous legal answer: What is your personal intention with the license?
Hiya kite_and_code - thanks for the question + good to see you here :)
Our understanding of our license is evolving - we're first time open source devs, and as I'm sure you know it can be a tricky process. That being said: we totally support Mito users using Mito from notebooks hosted in the cloud!
Currently, we have quite a few users using Mito in notebooks hosted through AWS, GCP, etc. We’re aiming to be good stewards of open source software, and want to see Mito exist where ever it is solving users problems!
We’ve had lots of folks in lots of environments request Mito, and are actively working on prioritizing supporting those other environments. We added classic Notebook support last month (funnily, I thought it’d take weeks to support, and it took 2 days lol) - and are looking into VS Code, Streamlit, Dash, and more!
EDIT: due to comment below, I edited this comment for clarity that we 100% support users using Mito from notebooks in the cloud!
I can totally relate that finding a suitable open-source business model is a fuzzy journey.
Nevertheless, from the user perspective I would love to hear a more clear answer - at least for e.g. the next 6-12 months.
Currently, it seems like you are tolerating usage inside the cloud providers without taking a clear stance. I think this creates fear, uncertainty, doubt and slows down mito adoption within the cloud.
I would appreciate a clear statement in the near future around your thinking on how mito should be made available in those environments. After all, the clouds are an environment to where more and more users are migrating to. Or at least use it in parallel to local setups.
I can understand if you don't want to answer on the spot in case you don't have a clear stance yet. In this case, please take your time and let us know when you made your decision.
Really love what you're doing and the innovation that you are pushing for! <3
Oh, sorry I wasn't clear! We totally expect that users will use Mito in notebooks on the cloud cloud, and we are in support of this usage!
Ideally, we will continue to extend our support to these environments over time, as currently there are lots of environments where users want Mito but we don't support it yet (notebooks api differences, etc) - a good example being AWS Sagemaker.
I'll edit my answer above to be more clear about this as well. Thanks for the ask for clarification!
As a potential user, this is pretty troubling. I can understand your intentions, but if the license doesn’t match your intentions (and if you don’t completely understand the license), how can we be sure our workflows will be supported/possible in the future?
I love how mito enables companies to use the power of open-source!
You might want to think about enabling companies to create the company specific extensions themselves e.g. via a plugin API. You might still request them to pay for this version of Mito but they are enabled to extend it with their engineering power instead of relying on you.
We had good experiences with this at bamboolib (I am one of the co-founders) and in addition to recurring license revenue it also increased demand for consulting from our end because the internal company devs started working on plugins and then wanted our direct guidance on how to get the more tricky things to work.
Yeah, we've thought a bit about a plugin API - for the reasons you say, I think it would be an awesome feature to open up to teams!
Any tips on going about it? No need to share the secret sauce, unless you want :P
To be totally honest, we're not architected super well to support plugins currently. The big challenge would be allowing users to specify this plugin in pure Python (seems like we want this) - but we think that hand-coded UIs outperform autogenerated ones for now. We've been thinking about how to do better though... maybe soon.
Of course, if Mito is missing features, we're open source [1] -- all contributions are welcome! Also feel free to open an issue and we can discuss :)
To be honest, we regularly refactor our architecture at bamboolib in order to make sure that there is almost no gap between what we would love to say in natural language and the code that we need to write.
This resulted in a very stable and clear internal API surface (read architecture). So, literally, all we had to do was adding mount points where users could register their plugins and then include those at render time.
The next day, customers could write plugins just as we did. And, as a matter of fact, all the bamboolib transformations, visualizations, views, etc are just sophisticated plugins that our customers could write themselves because they have access to the same API as we do.
So, no secret sauce except for "good architecture" which is easiest achieved as an ongoing effort rather than an one-off project.
If you want to use open-source Python-based visualizations instead of Tableau, the following tools allow the creation of custom plots - including the ability to export the underlying code.
- bamboolib (proprietary license - acquired by Databricks in order to run within the Databricks notebooks)
One benefit of having them in actual code is that you can programmatically automate the creation of things like dashboards and reports. For instance, schedule a script to share an interactive plot every Monday morning, or build a live dashboard that updates every 10m. This opens up a lot of possibilities that would be impossible in a traditional drag-and-drop tool.
> programmatically automate the creation of things like dashboards and reports.
That's an awesome use case for Python, and that sort of script generation is one of the main reasons that we see people adopting Python/Mito. And specifically, graphing[1] is one of the most popular features in Mito.
Mito generates Plotly [2] graphs, and of course generates the Plotly graph code too, so you can customize the graphs to your perfect liking (Plotly has great documentation and a lot of customizations) or schedule the script to run automatically.
Thanks for mentioning Altair. I am personally also a big fan.
I am one of the co-founders of bamboolib and we are actively thinking about adding support for altair to the Plot Creator (instead of just relying on Plotly).
Since we are talking other viz options in Python, there are of course also matplotlib, seaborn, plotly, and more.
Mito is licensed [1] under the AGPL liscence. The TLDR of the license is that you can use, distribute, and modify Mito for free, but any modifications that you make need to be shared back with the Mito community.
There is an additional version of Mito, Mito Pro, that is licensed under a different license that provides access to advanced functionality only if you are paying for a Mito Pro / Enterprise subscription.
