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What if they suddenly change just like simpletools? Also they don't have similar apps like simpletools


This is how every software UI should be designed as well.


Hopefully without people having to die first.


does the developer dying inside a little bit while making it count?




Also don't forget NetBSD 's npf


I wanted to use npf but I couldn't figure out how to implement NAT64. The syntax looked nice though.


Juuuust different enough to be aggravating :P

Check the /etc/examples stuff for the best docs on `npf`. Most of what I found online was outdated or just plain wrong.


We should force Microsoft out of business by not purchasing their products.


Who do you mean by "we" ? Even if all HN users would stop using windows, it would be barely noticeable for Microsoft...


Now if hn users start making casual apps work on linux by contributing to wine and proton that may change.


Linux won't be a true desktop operating system until it can run MikuMikuDance


With HDR on nonetheless.


MikuMikuDance is ancient but somehow manages to use Direct3D features that WINE doesn't implement properly. Maybe Proton does now, but I haven't checked in a couple years.


Just add gamescope, it supposedly does HDR

I have a terrible display, haven't bothered - like four zones or something silly


I have some random monitor from China based on a laptop panel and "HDR mode" seems to mean something along the lines of "without the sRGB EOTF". However, the software support for HDR in Windows 11 is so bad that I just use the sRGB mode instead, which does a really good job.


Plus MS has a lot of corporate deals. They don't care about the average user that much.


And government deals. That's why in 2023 children still learn basic office skills on Microsoft's offering. US might be different because I know Chromebooks are popular over there in education.

In Romania this was a big deal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_licensing_corruption... , in other countries maybe they never got caught. I doubt that bribing, as a "strategy", was only used in one country.


maybe enough hn users could get their companies stop using windows (but i guess the sysadmins are on slashdot iirc)


I'm the IT guy. It's the LOB apps that require windows, not the company. Stop selling us windows-exclusive software and we can talk. Yeah, it's really cool what you can do with wine and proton these days. Can I do that to a bank teller's computer and expect the vendor to answer the phone if something goes wrong?

and honestly, windows is pretty durable these days. 'desktop stuff' is less than 5% of my timesheet and I really do have better things to be doing with my time than trying to achieve the current baseline functionality with noncooperative methods.


I don't know which world you live in, but I am pretty confident that there aren't that many HN users in my software company, even among developers

Even so people (HN or not) won't give up their productivity tool their daily work relies on because of some nuisance or really, ideal. I have seen comments where people are so pissed off by the aggressive ads in Windows that they switched to Linux or Mac, but the number is going to be very small.


Unfortunately, HN crowd suffers from the "someone, please, do something" syndrome.

(Also: "Here is how the law should look like: we all should get a raise")


Realistically what are the alternatives to Microsoft 365 with the same level of functionality?


The problem is, Microsoft is entrenched with everybody but software engineers and server administrators.

Even “IT people” - their primary domain of skill is working with Windows etc…

And Microsoft has leveraged this dominance to coerce companies into their cloud services too.

Microsoft is a lich, it can’t be killed. It just has to be managed around.


I would be surprised if that were true. there are some very influential people on HN


Influential to who? Most avenge joes don't even know about HN, let alone the "celebrities" here. At the end of the day it's just another echo chamber.


it's influential due to the influential people on HN. your "average Joe" is irrelevant to that


I doubt anyone in the world is more influential than Microsoft Excel.


Microsoft didn't learn it's lesson with Internet Explorer. When the thought leaders abandon your product, the everyday users won't be far behind.


Genuine question: Why would we want Microsoft to go out of business?


Because this would create an environment where an ethical alternative could appear. Although, looking back at the history of Google, a cynic in me says the users will lose in the end anyway.


>Because this would create an environment where an ethical alternative could appear.

That's exactly like saying "if we remove this dictator form this middle eastern warzone, a peaceful and ethical leader will naturally replace him".

No mate, you'll get no ethical alternative, instead Google and friends will immediately take over the power vacuum left by Microsoft before any start-up can even begin hiring.


Nah, your analogy would be replacing that dictator with multiple federal or city governments. Sure, it will not magically make things better, but having changes/competition get started at smaller scales is much easier. So having multiple "google and friends" is preferable over just one.


Do you think there are no alternatives to Microsoft’s products? In what area do they have no competition?


Sure, there are plenty of alternatives, many are superior, but because of inertia and policies it's difficult to eradicate Microsoft variants. That's why many of us have to put up with broken products like Teams on a daily basis even though everybody (i.e. users, middle management, top management) know they're broken and half-useful when compared to competition.


Changing Operating systems is not a small feat. Also there are MANY enterprise applications that depend on windows, windows server, or Microsoft SQL server. It is not an easy task to migrate away from those. That is why companies pay Microsoft $$$$$$ in licensing.


to be fair microsoft are head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to openly treating their paying customers like shit.


Oracle and Adobe are highly competitive in this space as well.


Anything that involves lazy executives that prefer bundling and shaking hands with one account rep that gives out free dinners and booze.


And why an ethical alternative can't appear in the world where Microsoft exists?


Because of a "dominant market position". Nobody says "can't appear" or says anything about a literal monopoly or literally not exist (or whether butterflies are made out of butter); that is just short hand and how language works. The point is that any alternative, ethical or not, is much too easily stifled in the current environment. Allowing competition to actually happen would be better.


Because the whole history of Microsoft is based on the EEE paradigm. And now because of inertia it's almost[0] impossible to move away from it for any org that has been using their products for years.

[0] "Almost", because I know some large orgs that finally managed to break away, but it wasn't easy at all.


>Because the whole history of Microsoft is based on the EEE paradigm.

As opposed to the likes of Meta, Apple, Google who operate on the peaceful cooperation and charity paradigm?

Does it look like to you that the other companies got so dominant by not using EEE?


It does not appear to me that Google does EEE, no - certainly not in the way that Microsoft did.


Their entire Android / Play Services maneuvers were textbook EEE.


"appear"


"an ethical alternative"

Define "ethical". Depending on the definition, none of the current big companies are ethical, so Microsoft going out of business wouldn't even matter.

And you really need to understand how the world works. Ethical never matters, money matters.


> Ethical never matters, money matters.

I was thinking about this recently as someone suggested it might be an American thing. But I don't think so - there are plenty of unethical companies in Europe, too. They often manage to exploit some loophole in the law and, say, sell expensive things to old people under some apparently legitimate guises. Or they'll fake car engine tests.

But ethical (=ethically neutral) companies definitely exist, and there are many of them.


more "proper" software and games on linux because it would gain the vast majority of computer OS market share overnight is one reason


Linux user here I am not sure what kind of limitations I even face today (based on the fact that I don't use Adobe either way)

Nearly all games on steam just work, most modern software just works and the alternative tools never stopped getting better either.


Or, the government should step in and say "No. Have different companies take over different parts of Windows. Do this in two years or pay a 1 trillion dollar fine."

I think that would be a lot better.


Heh, if it were only so easy.


Who even uses their shitty products?


That's why always go with cremation. No Vampire, no viruses


But also no body to rapture... actually... wouldn't said body be stuck on the padlocks / decapitated when being raptured?


Nicee.


Better to use Just4Fun Licence


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