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Wasnt there some effort from facebook to give all 3rd world free laptops? Their whole worth is basically just user data so that makes sense. Not sure why it didnt pan out.

Emotional intelligence /true empathy cannot be learned or acquired, at least IMHO.

But it can be learned to be mimicked almost to perfection, either by endless trial & error or by highly intelligent motivated people. It usually breaks apart when completely new intense / stressful situation happens. Sociopaths belong here very firmly and form majority.

If you know what to look for, you will see it in most if not all politicians, 'captains of industry' or otherwise people who got to serious power by their own deeds.

Think about a bit - what sort of nasty battles they had to continually keep winning with similar folks to get where they are, this ain't the place for decent human beings, you/me would be outmatched quickly. Jordan Peterson once claimed you have cca 1/20 of sociopaths in general population, say 15 millions just in US? Not every one is highly intelligent and capable of getting far, but many do. Jobs, Gates, Zuckenberg, Bezos, Musk, Altman and so on and on. World is owned and run by them, I'd say without exception.


Almost any public figure that displays empathy will do it for show or as a statement. On many occasion not showing an emotional reaction is the empathetic thing to do as well.

You cannot really judge people by their public appearance, it will in most cases be a fake persona. So the diagnosis of Jobs or Zuckerberg isn't really grounded in reality if you do not know them personally.


>World is owned and run by them

There's a song about that - Jarvis Cocker - "Running the World"

Doesn't get played on radio because of the lyrics


In the case of Peterson, I'd say it takes one to know one.

On the contrary, sociopaths are not emotional or political. They manipulate, while Peterson fights. We might disagree with him, but I'm 100% sure he is an honest human being.

This is so off topic but he's literally a Griting-101 playbook follower. Harks about strength of will, male manliness and clean rooms. Gets addicted to benzos, goes to russia to get himself practically lobotomized and films himself disheveled and crying in a filthy room. He's 100% a grifter.

This is so off topic but he's literally a Griting-101 playbook follower. Harks about strength of will, male manliness and clean rooms. Gets addicted to benzos, goes to russia to get himself practically lobotomized and films himself disheveled and crying in a filthy room. He's 100% a grifter.

Yeah I mentioned him only because he is source for this info for me, and I have big respect for his original work and there is good wisdom for me there.

Absolutely 0 respect for after-breakdown-and-addiction period, he is simply a different person, not interesting to me anymore, with political agenda and weird obsessions.


> Emotional intelligence /true empathy cannot be learned or acquired, at least IMHO.

I think you are right in general here in this comment but I am not sure if you are right on this bit.

Peterson might be slightly overstating the number of sociopaths (others put it at more like one in thirty).

Those people have to fake it (if they can be bothered; it doesn't seem to hold people back from the highest office if they don't)

The vast majority of people with noticeably low empathy, though, simply haven't ever been taught how to nurture that small seed of empathy, how to use it to see the world, how to feel the reciprocal benefits of others doing the same. How to breathe it in and out, basically. It's there, like a latent ability to sing or draw or be a parent, it's just that we're not good at nurturing it specifically.

Schools teach "teamwork" instead, which is a lite form of empathy (particularly when there is an opposing team to "other")

I was never a team player, but I have learned to grow my own empathy over the years from a rather shaky sense of it as a child.


Wasnt there some sort of natural selection centuries ago so that only folks tolerant to such chemistry actually performed the job?

I know next to nothing about these topics but there are some wildly opposite claims in this thread. Truth has the tendency, despite being complex, to generqlly favor one direction.


But he is a manager, not an engineer although he sells himself off as such. He keeps smart capable folks around, abuses most of them pretty horribly, and when he intervenes with products its hit and miss. For example latest Tesla Model 3 changes must have been pretty major fuckup and there is no way he didn't ack it all.

Plus all self-driving lies and more lies well within fraud territory at this point. Not even going into his sociopathic personality, massive childish ego and apparent 'daddy issues' which in men manifest exactly like him. He is not in day-to-day SpaceX control and it shows.


You’re confusing mommy and daddy issues. Mommy issues is what makes fash control freaks.

"A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticize work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life's realities—all these are marks, not ... of superiority but of weakness.”

As is repeatedly spamming the same pasta

It was common trope to see soviet soldiers with multiple stolen watches on the wrists, even most famous photo of raising flag on Reichstag had to be retouched to hide that common and very visible fact.

People greeted soviet liberators pompously, then came sobering up.


The Soviet top military commander (Zhukov) even got in trouble with Soviet customs for smuggling whole trainloads of loot back home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU1f47SC_A8

They were greedy at times of peace and out of control during war.


I know nothing from chemistry apart from high school stuff decades ago (and wasnt very good at it), but oh boy Derek knows how to write interesting stuff for laymen, read whole series since it gets quite regular mentions here.

This is how you make people interested in more difficult topics


My high school chemistry teacher used this approach, and I thank her for it. While maybe not at the same level of chemist, she did her best to make the subject much more approachable. My physics teacher had his humorous approach as well. I can still see his hand drawn sketches on the overhead in my mind.

This is often mentioned but its true only from statistical or 'strategy' point of view, something viruses on their own simply don't possess. They just multiply via various mechanisms, what happens with their environment is well beyong their capability to care or plan around.

Their mutations are random, but its proverbial throwing gazillion bunch of stuff on the wall and seeing what sticks. Their numbers and short life span give them maybe 100 million? evolution speed advantage compared to humans. Maybe much more. Think how humans would change in say 100,000 generations.


The virus of course does not do this consciously, but simple darwinian logic dictates that the strains that are too deadly will kill its pool of hosts too quickly, and die off together with them.

The person you’re responding to arguing against a straw man is intellectual Darwinism in play, let nature do its thing

I think we as a mankind went through some collective mental trauma re dealing with covid pandemics, and our subconsiousness ain't best equipped to deal with it. Just like with other trauma it blurred it into into some hazy dreamy distant maybe-land.

Fascinating to see it happening in real time and be part of it.


Amen. All the economic and cultural and political upheaval, not to mention war that’s happened since, we seem to assume that the pandemic stressed a bunch of systems and that’s the causality.

I feel like we don’t sufficiently acknowledge that a mass-trauma event also made the entire damn species more irrational and reactive, and that’s going to be our reality for a generation.


You dont notice them when they work as intended, but when something odd or annoying happens it leads quickly to disappointment.

For me its car's lane assistant, interfering with driving is big no for me. Asked my father to turn it off on their new mazda 3 too, 99% ok behavior is simply too low, even 99.9% would be.


Oh yes. This is a huge one for me. My wife bought a luxury car that's loaded with these new driving "assist" features and they're both annoying and extremely distracting to the driver. Worse, when they unexpectedly grab the wheel while I'm actively trying to steer, it's caused me to swerve while fighting to correct it. Fortunately no road incidents yet but these are clear safety issues. If it were a commercial aircraft instead of a car, pilots would be required to report them as incidents.

Of course, I always turn these stupid features off but, inexplicably, my wife likes them and keeps turning them back on. So when I happen to drive that car it continues to be a nasty surprise until I remember to turn it off. This also makes a separate UX failure even worse. Settings like seat position, enter/exit behavior, navigation and even entertainment options are stored and recalled in per-driver settings. These per driver settings can also be linked to each key fob. She has her fob and I have mine. Very nice - except these damn driver "assist" features are NOT stored in per-driver settings like they obviously should be!

Damn it, car UX designers - all user options should be stored per driver. It's a few KB for bit flags and single-byte values, it's not like we don't have the storage these days.


Lane assistance is fine, if it can be permanently disabled. But I've rented cars where it seemed to have been hard coded to default = ON for each trip. Every time I started the car, I had to go into the car config (great fun on a rental with a different GUI each time) and disable it before driving.

Otherwise, in city driving, it's like some paranoid front seat passenger grabs the wheel every 30 seconds.


Its a lawsuit waiting to happen. Yes it can be disabled on normal cars, but on rentals not consistently, they do sometimes lock down settings menus - driving with it around narrow Sicily roads was not pleasant at all, outright dangerous in few situations.

Sun is moving cca 230 km/s around Sagittarius A*, so something even further from the center would have even higher speed if rotating at same speed (don't know if that's the trend in our galaxy, very much a tourist in astronomy)... doesn't sound that unusual unless its those 999km/s corner cases

Except these stars are rotating the other direction

Orbital velocity increases as you get closer to the middle, not the other way around.

An example closer to home, our orbital velocity around the Sun is 29.8km/s. Mercury is 47.9km/s (on average, it actually varies throughout its orbit). Neptune is 5.4km/s.


This doesn't apply to stars in the Milky Way. Unlike planets around a star, stars in the Milky Way don't follow Keplerian physics in their orbit around the galactic center.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy_rotation_curve

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The rotational/orbital speeds of galaxies/stars do not follow the rules found in other orbital systems such as stars/planets and planets/moons that have most of their mass at the centre. Stars revolve around their galaxy's centre at equal or increasing speed over a large range of distances. In contrast, the orbital velocities of planets in planetary systems and moons orbiting planets decline with distance according to Kepler’s third law.

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