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Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search. That's where we are with openai. Google search was a better product at the time and chatGPT 3.5 was a breakthrough the public used. Fast forward and some will say Google isn't the best search engine anymore (kagi, duckduckgo, yandex offer different experiences) but people still think of google=search. Same with chatGPT. Claude may be better for coding or gemini better are searching or Deepseek cheaper but equal but chatGPT is a verb and will live on like Intel inside long after it's actual value has declined.

Google was so much better than AltaVista that I just can’t buy that it was marketing that pushed them to the forefront of search.

Having a good product is marketing and parallels chatgpt

> Google wasn't the first search engine but they were the best marketing google = search

Google's overwhelming victory in search had ~ nothing to do with marketing.


Ever heard the term to google something. Viral marketing is still marketing.

That happened long after they completely dominated search. They succeeded because of quality, and because of how low quality all the other engines were.

There was a time when Google was thought of as a respectable, high-quality, smart and nimble company. That has faded as the marketing grew.


The outputting that they are chatGPT from deepseek is a big clue.

Do models matter to the regular user over brand? People talk about using chatGPT over Google's AI or Deepseek not 4o-mini vs gemini 2.

OpenAI has done a good job of making the model less important and the domain gptGPT.com more important.

Most of the time the model rarely matters. When you find something incorrect you may switch models but that rarely fixes the problem. Rewording a prompt has more value than changing a model.


If the model did not matter they would be spending their money on marketing or sales instead of improving the model.

Spending or saying they are spending is marketing but when people use their product the model doesn't matter.

For the rest of us using free tiers ChatGPT is hands down the winner allowing limited image generation, unlimited usage of some model and limited usage of 4o.

Claude is still stuck at 10 messages per day and gemini is less accurate/useful.


10 messages a day? How are people "vibe coding" with that?

They're paying for Pro

Ah thank you; I had heard the paid ones had daily limits too so I was confused

They do, I subscribe to pro. All of my vibe coding however is done via the API.

Not sure why seeing a life like this makes me depressed

These are sometimes called memento mori calendars. Memento mori being a Latin phrase that translates to "remember you must die". It's a pretty popular phrase/reminder with the modern day Stoic community.

Remidners of death are often depressing.


It gets me down a little too just because I know I am so weird that I can't understand why anyone would want this.

I actually would have interesting things to put on the timeline. Why anyone would do this though just doesn't make sense to me on any level and I know I am in the minority on that.


I do. But that's also the point of the app. Life is finite!

Or they show up video taping airbases because they easily get lost

Are the Chinese carrying out espionage in the U.S.?

Yes.

But Indoubt China’s key AI CEOs that need to be warned not to travel to the U.S. will be the ones doing espionage for the Chinese government. If they were, then the govt wouldn’t need to announce not traveling publicly…they’d just pass on the message through their handlers.

The point is that the Chinese (and now, even allies) governments would be justified in thinking that the U.S. despite its reputation for a fair legal system, will arrest or detain a Chinese citizen for no legitimate reason at all.

Is the opposite also true? Should the US government be warning its AI CEOs not to travel to China? Absolutely.

But it’s disappointing that the US’s reputation has fallen so far over the past decade.


If everyone has them they are more likely to be used over minor issues.

When?

There’s no evidence that is the case.

It has been eighty years since a nuclear weapon was used in an act of aggression.

It would appear a state sort of only really comes to have nuclear weapons when it has got its act together sufficiently to be well enough behaved to not use them.

A sort of maturation process, if you will.

The meek[1] shall inherit the Earth, and all of that.

If we’ve got data, let’s go with the data. If all we have is opinions, let’s go with mine.

1. this is best as interpreted as those who have the ability to use force, but do not use it, except maybe to defend themselves.


It has been threatened recently by a few nations. It almost got set off by mistake.

Increasing the odds by introducing hundreds of players some willing to gas their own people is rolling the dice. The few countries that have the ability has been responsible but that does not mean that will always be the case or new players will be as responsible.


What does any of it matter?

In about five billion years the sun will run out of hydrogen and expand, engulfing Mercury, Venus, and likely Earth.

In the mean time, you could respond to the argument I actually made.

The level of organisation at the state level required to build a working nuclear weapon, along with the forces working against that, eg. how difficult it’s been for Iran to get across the line, and the fact of the near miss you mentioned, allows most of us, it would seem, to sleep well at night.


If power is not more or less evenly distributed then only the strongest really have rights.

This seems like a tautology. By definition someone with superior political power can grind down someone else with less, if they were maniacal enough about it, or at least negate their efforts.

If they couldn’t, then they wouldn’t be considered to have superior political power.


It's more than that.

With enough power differential that won't even be a consideration.


Even perfect equals in an ideal spherical cow world can still engage in a 1 v 1 drag down fight.

Spherical beef is better than Wagyu!

If you wanted to be ironic via literally meaningless comments, then that is pretty clever.

don't believe everything the slavers tell you :)

if everyone had a way to completely disintegrate the planet no one would be above another


All we need is nukes?

I think you might be counting on way too many decision makers to remain rational and wise enough to avoid and defuse non-trivial situations that want to escalate.

In the 8 billion times 8 billion potential nuclear exchanges that universal nuke would enable (64 quadrillion!), there is at least one scary bad one. At any time of day. That you are standing too near.

Please acknowledge my wisdom here. (Hard unblinking stare. Wiggling finger wanders toward red button… “Kind person, I have no interest in harming you, but my sources inform me you have at most one nuke. So I must be prepared to be first. Please keep those hands where I can see them while I only, and with full peaceful intent, rest my finger here.”)


you my digital friend have never met slavers and it shows :)

more than nukes one can survive nukes the ability to completely disintegrate the planet for everyone


Sounds like a very strong incentive for us to find a way to leave the planet and settle elsewhere.

And those settlements will be not be full of exactly the same human beings?

nah jesus says that's a sin we can only stay here with our heavenly chosen barons or go to heaven or hell

Just because your email is 90% junk doesn't mean delivering it once a week is an acceptable tradeoff. Those are 100B items paid to be sent.

Yeah I said exactly that.

I read the discussion. What does unrelated views not expressed on your subreddit matter. Why the need to get rid of a mod who at worst has a sidebar to other subreddits they control. If the mod is black, white, Asian, wears fur coats or believes in a flat earth; none of that should matter unless it's affecting your subreddit. Let people be themselves you would be surprised by many of your co-worker real life.

Put mildly, the moderation was affecting not only the subreddit, but the referenced site (xkcd) itself. And then some.

There is a reason that commercial and noncommercial organisations are so absolutely obsessed with brand management, identity, and reputation, much as I generally find that to be a somewhat absurd concern. Moderators have an absolutely vast impact on how a discussion proceeds, and ultimately on impressions going far beyond just that discussion, including the rest of Reddit (or whatever platform is involved); commercial, social, and political impacts; and the idea of a general online communications themselves.

HN would be a very different place if, say, /u/soccer were mod rather than dang, and I suspect much of its present status and value would be lost in very short order.

We've had plenty of experience, over many decades and much scale, of poorly-functioning moderation, and in general it ends quite poorly. As I've noted many times, one of the most surprising things about HN is that it's retained its status and value as a forum for as long as it has. Far longer than the original and revered Usenet (of which I was a small participant, pre-eternal-September), or Slashdot, Friendster, Digg, or even Reddit (itself a YC launch, slightly pre-dating HN, but unlike HN retaining far less of its original spirit and quality).


Benchmarks are not real so 2% is meaningless.

Of course not. The point is that the cost difference between the two things being compared is huge, right? Same performance, but not the same cost.

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