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HN has a huge amount of Googlers as users. That’s the downvotes. Just look at the Googlers in this thread defending the company.


Makes sense, actually /:


I’d say google earned that bad faith this year alone with what they did with maps.


As another user mentioned, maps isn't cloud.


But it's Google, in the end the same CEO has to sign off on these changes (I'm sure the Maps price hike was approved by C-level and not just the Maps department).


From the dollar amounts shown these seem like they are very targeted in coverage, like 100 suspect locations at most for all of the contracts total.


It’s just that your statements are incorrect about families. The real numbers are: “In the county, children (ages 0 – 17) are 23 percent of the total population, in downtown, they are only 10 percent of the population.”


The thing is, the statistics have a long-tail, and the truth is that when the paradigm shifts, like it did and is doing, it's important to hear from first-hand accounts and not rely on statistics based on overall trends historically. They track an old dynamic, and the new dynamic is tending toward people living anywhere they want, especially into dense areas more comfortably, and the age-old bias toward moving outward at the point of having kids or retiring is reversing. I've seen it first hand, spoken to numerous people who are early adopters to this trend, and in all brackets of social standing and model of domestic life. It is evidence of an overall shift in how we live as people.

The benefits of being in the denser areas versus the believed drawbacks are changing, so much so it makes me genuinely hopeful about one day having 10 billion people versus 8 on the planet, which for someone who wanted less people not more, is notable at least and hinges on this shift. So I would recheck the numbers often and along new metrics, and favor first-hand information in times of change.


Maybe what should be taught is “don’t trust anything you read”. That goes for everything from textbooks to newspapers. Instead children are often taught to memorize and obey, which leads to issues when you have to tell your child that the teacher was wrong, and that a teaching certificate doesn’t make you magically all-knowing.


Which is kind of what I was thinking. As soon as you start teaching kids not to be swayed by "agenda-driven sources," what happens when they start realizing that their textbooks and their teachers are also "agenda-driven sources"?

Which is why this proposal will never fly.


Lots of kids realize the limitations of their teachers' intellects at some point. Once you realize how dumb your teacher is, it's a short step to realizing how dishonest she is. As long as smart kids can still be civil in class, it isn't usually a problem. They just make their peace with the fact that while their fellows learn in school, they have to find somewhere else to do that. After all, a judicious combination of wikipedia and reddit is bound to be more enlightening than a public school class.


I realized that in 6th grade, and made up my own mind about such things ever since. Sometimes resulting in bad grades :-)

Even my shop teacher would make serious errors in explaining things, enough that I didn't take anything he said as a given.


I see that you’re not making any distinction between legal controlled immigration and illegal uncontrolled immigration. I think it’s arguable that illegal uncontrolled immigration is worse, and I’d start the argument by pointing to the condition of various communities in the United States that have the highest percentages of illegal immigrants.


Depends on the state. California has usage restrictions, and I’m pretty sure these violate them. I’ll find out soon since I’ve filed complaints with the California attorney general about all of the apps.


From the statute:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection....

> (a) The home address, telephone number, email address, precinct number, or other number specified by the Secretary of State for voter registration purposes, and prior registration information shown on the affidavit of registration, is confidential and shall not be disclosed to any person, except pursuant to Section 2194 of the Elections Code.

Section 2194 (3) of the Elections Code: http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection....

> Shall be provided with respect to any voter, subject to the provisions of Sections 2166, 2166.5, 2166.7, and 2188, to any candidate for federal, state, or local office, to any committee for or against any initiative or referendum measure for which legal publication is made, and to any person for election, scholarly, journalistic, or political purposes, or for governmental purposes, as determined by the Secretary of State.

Both OutVote and VoteWithMe state political and election purposes in their respective About pages:

> VoteWithMe is powered by The New Data Project. In the current climate, causes and campaigns too often lack the time, expertise, and flexibility to work beyond immediate deadlines. The New Data Project (NDP) is a new 501(c)(4) organization built to address this gap by testing new approaches, looking beyond the current cycle, and serving as an advanced technology research lab for progressives. [0]

> Our mission is to promote voter participation within progressive campaigns, this November and beyond. [1]

[0] https://votewithme.us/about.html

[1] https://www.outvote.io/faqs


What specifically makes you "pretty sure" this is a violation of California usage restrictions?


Not only that, but a racial discrimination lawsuit. If someone can prove that one of the protected classes is getting worse service, it might make for a nice class-action. I’d love to see Zeta Global (among others) lose a few million for perpetrating this nonsense.


That wouldn’t hold up in this case, because of that very important word “purpose”. They weren’t trying to get anything due to authority. In fact they were trying to make sure that Facebook was only approving ads by the actual authority.


Which is what I think parent was pointing out. Even if they ran ads saying "vote for me", it probably wouldn't fall under that language. They'd have to be inducing action in their official capacity, not as a candidate.


Elon Musk is a psychedelics user. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates used LSD when they were younger. It’s not really a psychedelic, but I’ve always enjoyed the fact that Thomas Edison loved his cocaine wine.


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